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Subject: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in the texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 17:07:06 +0200
Package: texlive-fonts-extra
Version: 2014.20140927-1
Severity: wishlist
Hi again, Norbert.
So here I am, writing my lecture notes on a machine on which I don't
usually TeX. My personal format fails with an error about MnSymbol not
found, so I do
$ apt-cache search mnsymbol
texlive-fonts-extra - TeX Live: Additional fonts
Ouch. 200MB download, 600MB disk space.
Norbert, there are three font packages that are very useful when you're
trying to work around the lack of maths fonts -- these are newtx, newpx
and MnSymbol. I really think they should be extracted from the
texlive-fonts-extra ghetto.
Sorry for the underful hbox in the paragraph above, I'm too lazy to reword
it. Thanks for listening,
-- Juliusz
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Subject: Re: Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in the
texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:14:10 +0900
Hi Juliusz,
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> Norbert, there are three font packages that are very useful when you're
> trying to work around the lack of maths fonts -- these are newtx, newpx
> and MnSymbol. I really think they should be extracted from the
> texlive-fonts-extra ghetto.
Please propose this to TeX Live mailing list:
[email protected]
I follow upstream collections to the word, and will not start
extracting and moving single packages, as long as this is not
done upstream in TeX Live.
I know that the big -extra collections are a bit a pain, but
I don't see many different options, but packaging each unit
by itself, which was rejected years ago (would increase the
number of Debian packages by 5000 or so .... not good out of
various reasons).
Hope that helps
Norbert
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Subject: Re: Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in the texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:24:48 +0200
>> Norbert, there are three font packages that are very useful when you're
>> trying to work around the lack of maths fonts -- these are newtx, newpx
>> and MnSymbol. I really think they should be extracted from the
>> texlive-fonts-extra ghetto.
> I follow upstream collections to the word,
I've always known you're a wise man.
> Please propose this to TeX Live mailing list:
> [email protected]
No way -- I'm on way too many mailing lists already. I'll be very
grateful if you do that for me.
-- Juliusz
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Subject: Re: Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in the
texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:44:36 +0900
Hi Juliusz,
> > I follow upstream collections to the word,
>
> I've always known you're a wise man.
Hahaha, "Honig um den Mund schmieren"? Your German should be good enough
to understand this ;-)
> > Please propose this to TeX Live mailing list:
> > [email protected]
>
> No way -- I'm on way too many mailing lists already. I'll be very
> grateful if you do that for me.
No need to subscribe, just add "please Cc me" ... if you don't do it,
I *MIGHT* do it at some point in the future ;-)
Enjoy
Norbert
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Subject: Re: Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in the texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:57:23 +0200
>>> I follow upstream collections to the word,
>> I've always known you're a wise man.
> Hahaha, "Honig um den Mund schmieren"?
Nein, ich bin dead serious. I keep begging my downstreams to avoid
distro-specific patches as much as possible, and to put their
modifications upstream. (Especially since there've been cases where I've
replaced dozens of lines of distro-specific shell scripts by a few lines
of upstream code.)
>> No way -- I'm on way too many mailing lists already.
> No need to subscribe, just add "please Cc me" ...
No way. You start by sending an innocent message, and you end up being
one of the main developers.
> if you don't do it, I *MIGHT* do it at some point in the future ;-)
Please.
-- Juliusz
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Subject: Re: Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in the
texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 21:49:53 +0900
Hi everyone at tl,
we got a bug report down here at Debian suggestion to move
newtx and newpx to a different collection. As I follow upstream
TeX Live in this respect, I forward it to the list.
Please Cc your answers to the included Ccs.
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
> So here I am, writing my lecture notes on a machine on which I don't
> usually TeX. My personal format fails with an error about MnSymbol not
> found, so I do
>
> $ apt-cache search mnsymbol
> texlive-fonts-extra - TeX Live: Additional fonts
>
> Ouch. 200MB download, 600MB disk space.
>
> Norbert, there are three font packages that are very useful when you're
> trying to work around the lack of maths fonts -- these are newtx, newpx
> and MnSymbol. I really think they should be extracted from the
> texlive-fonts-extra ghetto.
Thanks
Norbert
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Subject: Re: [tex-live] Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in
the texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 21:22:50 GMT
Do what you want in Debian, of course. (Do you exactly 100% follow the
TL collection constituents now?)
For TL, I see that c-fontsrecommended has txfonts and pxfonts. Perhaps
I should exchange those with the newtx and newpx in extra, but I'm not
sure. I have a feeling that an awful lot of documents use the original
*xfonts and it would just create needless churn. Michael (Sharpe), do
you have an opinion here?
I don't want to just randomly add things to c-fontsrecommended.
karl
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Subject: Re: Bug#764122: [tex-live] Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x
shouldn't be in the texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:01:25 +0900
On Thu, 09 Oct 2014, Karl Berry wrote:
> Do what you want in Debian, of course. (Do you exactly 100% follow the
> TL collection constituents now?)
Yes, we follow it 100% (besides leaving out a few packages that
are packaged separately).
> I don't want to just randomly add things to c-fontsrecommended.
I agree. Only if there is good reason.
Norbert
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Subject: Re: [tex-live] Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in the texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 22:00:55 GMT
Hi Juliusz,
What about mnsymbol? It's a fairly small package, and is a simple,
hassle-free way to get a bunch of mathematical symbols that blend
relatively well with many common fonts
I guess I don't have any overwhelming argument against it, but it would
be nice if I had a note from at least one other user that moving it from
one collection to the other would be a practical benefit.
My general feeling is that for pretty much any package X in a
collection C, there is an argument that it should be in collection C2
instead. So in self-defense, I try to be conservative in such moves.
Best,
Karl
Subject: Re: [tex-live] Bug#764122: MnSymbol and new[tp]x shouldn't be in the
texlive-fonts-extra ghetto
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 02:31:30 +0200
On 2014-10-10 at 22:00:55 +0000, Karl Berry wrote:
> Hi Juliusz,
>
> What about mnsymbol? It's a fairly small package, and is a
> simple, hassle-free way to get a bunch of mathematical symbols
> that blend relatively well with many common fonts
>
> I guess I don't have any overwhelming argument against it, but it
> would be nice if I had a note from at least one other user that
> moving it from one collection to the other would be a practical
> benefit.
>
> My general feeling is that for pretty much any package X in a
> collection C, there is an argument that it should be in collection
> C2 instead. So in self-defense, I try to be conservative in such
> moves.
IMO mnsymbol should be part of the collection containing all the other
math symbol fonts. Whether it should be in texlive-fonts-extra or
in texlive-fonts-recommended is another thing. But all math symbol
fonts should be in one and the same collection. Otherwise the concept
of collections doesn't make sense anymore.
Regards,
Reinhard
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