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Easily overlooking the holocaust, the farhud and the pogroms. Israel was founded because Jewish people were not safe without a state.



Jewish people were unsafe because of antisemites and antisemitism, not because they lacked an ethnostate. The diaspora also deserves safety, with or without an Israel.


> Jewish people were unsafe because of antisemites and antisemitism, not because they lacked an ethnostate.

1. Unfortunately, antisemitism is alive and well.

2. It is an unfortunate reality that Jews in particular have been persecuted throughout history. But I think it's true that most people want a state of their own, to protect them and to live in the way that they want to live. This is the source of most modern countries/states - some ethnicity with on some specific land deciding to turn it into their state.

The only reason Jews were different was because they were ethnically cleansed by the Roman empire from their own land, and dispersed across the entire Jewish diaspora. This made their situation worse than most ethnicities, made them even more in need of a land to call their own.

> The diaspora also deserves safety, with or without an Israel.

Of course. Everyone deserves safety. I wish everyone got what they deserved.

But we don't get rid of the police force because "no one deserves to be murdered". The world doesn't run just on what people deserves.


FYI, I'm Jewish, with Israeli friends, and kibbutznik family on my great-grandaunt's side.

Israelis like you tell themselves this, but you don't speak for the diaspora. I personally feel that Israel makes the rest of us less safe, not more.


I highly recommend watching Haviv Rettig Gur's talk about the differences between the Jews of the diaspora (he's mostly talking about the US), and Israeli Jews. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKoUC0m1U9E)

To sum up a long and fascinating lecture, he makes the case that the Jews of the US diaspora are the few Jews who managed to find a country that actually took them in and treated them as equals, which is almost a complete aberration.

Whereas Israeli Jews are largely the descendants of the survivors of the Holocaust- those Jews who learned the hard way that much of the world wanted to kill them, and that they couldn't trust any country to take them in.

Israel's population was largely made up, in terms of numbers, of people either fleeing the Holocaust, or Holocaust survivors who were displaced persons and literally had no other place to go - no country wanted them.


For starters, "few" is a misnomer. The US Jewish population is just shy of Israel's Jewish population (6.3m to 7.2m). Don't insinuate that American Jews are too few in number to get a voice.

If you wish to say that American Jews "had it easy", then I can just as easily say the opposite: Israeli Jews are too "traumatized" to see how they're perpetuating injustice in the name of security.


but majority does not. you dont represent the majority.


Good thing I used that word "personally" then, which clearly indicates to those who can read that I'm only speaking for myself.




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