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Yes. I sadly agree with obama: we can survive 4 years. I don't know we can survive 8.

“I think that four years is OK,” Obama said. “Take on some water, but we can kind of bail fast enough to be OK. Eight years would be a problem. I would be concerned about a sustained period in which some of these norms have broken down and started to corrode.”

We're already far beyond some norms breaking down...

Sadly I can't find a great source for that quote. just found it on scmp and jp. weird. I swear I have this memory of that being in politico or nytimes at the time. iirc was from an 'otr' towards the end of his term.


It was indeed an off the record chat, made public.

https://www.benzinga.com/government/22/10/29111070/obamas-ta...


I doubt public demonstrations would do it. They'd have to start losing MAGA cult people for them to change course themselves.

But if we can hold out for 2 years (big if) there's a very strong chance we'll retake the house.

And if things continue down this path (i think it will get worse) we could maybe take back the senate. but the map is very hard.

That would give power to fight back.

If we get a once in a generation swing of seats we could think about getting rid of the filibuster / few remaining norms. Then we could rebalance judicial. But that's a big risk if not sure the power will endure beyond a handful of cycles.


i dont think demonstrations would work either fwiw.

a big swing requires the dems to seem credibly like a real opposition, for people to want an opposition, and for that election result to be untampered.

given how little they've done to stop this so far and how little they're promising to do now, and how shaky the foundations for the elections are in the first place ..

idk, it seems unlikely


> I doubt public demonstrations would do it.

Trump is itching to trigger provisions of the Insurrection Act as far ahead of the mid-term elections as possible. Public demonstrations by anyone associated with the left will achieve nothing right now given the composition of Congress. The best bet is to stand down, and stand by. The ground will probably be fertile for local organizing though.


Trump will send the military in this time and kill protesters. Like he wanted to before.


For backcountry I would love to have another option (and able to stream video and games lol). But I wouldn't drop the garmin for life saving reasons. I * might * if my garmin watch was able to use the garmin sos. Phone + very long lasting / hard to break watch might be enough for 90% of my nights out for me.


Could go the google way, capture an image screenshot of state, ocr, then parse it.

They keep throwing it in my url bar. I refuse to click (big warning it sends to google's servers)


I've thought about 'secular Sabbath.' Low or no technology, community, food, being self sustaining outdoors.

There is a lot of appeal to some practices of the mountain Mennonite/amish in CO where I'm at.

But a lot of those things that appeal to me, and trying to organize something like that, could quickly turn into a prepper cult ;0


'lean' lol.

the wsj opinion section has gone wildly off the rails.

love their journalism. can't read half the crap they allow to be published in opeds.

at a minimum, is it too much to not publish outright provable lies?

it actually feels like a similar persecution complex vibe to these lawsuits and congressional hearings to me

that somehow if we aren't forced to listen to them, or that their megaphone isn't as loud as it once was, that they are being persecuted and censored with the most orwellian oppression in the history of our country! (i can think of a lot of truly terrible things our govt has done... literal internment camps and more! but that is besides the point)

no one has silenced them. we continue to hear it constantly.

i hear more anti gay slurs now - on traditional media and online - than i ever remember growing up as a very obviously gay boy ;0

if anything, whenever someone crows about being 'cancelled' their message is spread even farther.

there isn't a right to amplification.

the next door kook was never promised a full page column in the local paper. with a guaranteed readership of thousands or millions.

any truth filter or higher bar for discourse that might have existed in legacy news media has been smashed

news corp is the leader and biggest offender

the democratization of the megaphone (internet gives any random conspiracist opportunity to reach more than cronkite did), has given many the impression that they are owed this power to yell and be guaranteed a listening and receptive audience.

and anything less is cancelation or "censorship."


> at a minimum, is it too much to not publish outright provable lies?

I'd love to hear some examples. From what I can tell, they don't lie, but they will leave out details that may provide additional context (much like the NYT and WP opinion pages tend to do).

There is a careful line between opinions and facts. From what I can tell, the editorial board doesn't allow outright facts that can be disputed from being published. But things where there may be a disagreement on a given topic, they will allow it to be published.


this is my all time favorite. which i get is a while ago, but i think the nsa cyber will resonate on hn more than current 'hot topics' (gender. biden policies. the guate piece this week really rubbed me the wrong way. worse it was doing the same thing the author critiqued of u.s. insiders lying to support corrupt interests)

the piece: torture and spying is great and stops terrorists! trust me. because of reasons. damned the research saying this isn't true and lack of any proof i could provide as the ultimate insider. that tan suit wearing barack will kill us all!!!

also having the temerity to publish this during peak bush hate too. balls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/0...

though true that what used to be taken as facts are contested now. and history will never be fully settled timestamped and logged.

it just feels like they are winning with purpose. the christian right has built up an entire infrastructure to churn out 'academic' research, opinion pieces, outright buying news media or creating outlets. all of which is then quoted in judicial opinions by their judges and then taken as the full stop truth; when often most other sources disagree or call it less severe and the source is at a minimum insanely biased


bottom right. looks about 2k.

I can't find the original, but from read it seems like the last tweet was a day before this.

On the insta this was closest i could find and it looks like was LAX not huntington


The pedo thing didn't do it first?!

We don't do ads on twitter (politics). but no brand I know would want to be associated with the crazy-ness and tons of negative press.

Maybe good opportunity for click arbitragers and bottom barrel DTC though! low competition!

twitter is already showing me taboola level ads lmfao

I just can't with hn anymore. came back to specifically read this thread.

at least reddit is fun and has shit posting.

a significant chunk of active commenters on hn have gone off the deep end. a stew of insane, mean, and flat out wrong comments that have nothing to do with tech or cool nerd stuff. and everything to do with mean-spirited (often right wing) politics


There is not proof it was by a foreign government afaik. Though from the reporting I've read it does seem to be murky at a minimum, and not proven to be as clear as top comment-or said. Doesn't matter though.

That specific context you mention is VERY important:

Russia already did this.

The FBI specifically warned to TW that a leak like this had high chance of happening just at the time it did.

Twitter was right to be cautious.

Maybe didn't do everything consistently or perfectly, but I would far prefer them limiting the reach of Hunter dick pics and crack photos than letting a foreign government do so much damage again.

I think their main error was being slow as more background & info was uncovered.


holding people in power accountable (musk visit D.C. musk flies to china. whatever).

tracking & pointing out grossly polluting means of travel.

market making information (musk spends more time visiting ___ faltering plant or ignoring ___. Musk makes trips to __ ___location, acquisition in the works)?

elon is a public figure and his movements/actions create legitimate news. same as any other celebrity or politician.

gawker did this first and that was actually stalking precise irl real time locations of celebs.


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