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>The woman [from fake tech support] said she would clear the hackers out, but he had to give her access to his phone through an app she had him download.


Sure, but nothing in story says he did do that.


That doesn't answer the question. No app on any Android or iPhone phone can reach out and take your PayPal credentials. These scam victims never own up to the most important fact - that they themselves give away the keys to the castle. There's always some hand-wavy techy explanation.


Easy enough to drop a remote access app or a fake Paypal app and let the idiot user put their credential into it.


> These scam victims never own up to the most important fact - that they themselves give away the keys to the castle.

I bet they were wearing a real short skirt, too.


What?


I think pavel_lishin's comment is alluding to that what we are reading in mvdtnz's comment is victim blaming. It is a bit coded. Being overly concerned what a female victim of sexual assault was wearing is textbook case of victim blaming. I believe this is what the sentence "I bet they were wearing a real short skirt, too." is evoking to say that the sentence quoted from mvdtnz's comment is blaming the victim of the scam.


Got it in one.



For people who do not want to wait for multiple Twitter spinners and multiple login and cookie popups, the content is:

" My commitment:

- We will never seek victory in a just case against us, even if we will probably win.

- We will never surrender/settle an unjust case against us, even if we will probably lose. "


Posted when?


May 20, 2022


It could have been posted May 20, 2024 and I don't think it would have any real meaning. Musk has zero credibility with this sort of thing regardless of when it was posted.


Got anything to substantiate this?


This website does a pretty good job: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/



First glance at that website https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ and I find this:

"September 2014 They will be a factor of 10 safer than a person [at the wheel] in a six-year time frame"

Which you can mostly write off with this data https://electrek.co/2024/05/22/tesla-finally-releases-autopi...

So maybe FSD isn't complete, but Tesla Autopilot has made a measurable improvement to fatalities and injuries on roads. The data shows this clearly.


Except for the part where their “safety reports” are aggressively and intentionally falsified to push product.

They intentionally deceive by comparing extremely non-comparable numbers while avoiding making any necessary and basic adjustments that harm their story. Of their many lies, they use pyrotechnic (airbag) deployments for their own numbers, but compare against all crashes. The NHTSA investigation [1] into Tesla ADAS crashes points out how publicly available data, that Tesla has easy access to and that any competent statistician can interpret, indicates pyrotechnic deployment occurs in only ~18% of crashes. Just that single factor alone shows Tesla has failed to disclose a literal 5x adjustment, let alone the other adjustments that have no doubt been concealed or ignored to avoid learning inconvenient and unmarketable truths.

Their intentional concealment of 5x errors shows their data analysis is entirely faulty and untrustworthy and has been for years.

[1] https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INCR-EA22002-14496.pdf


Why does Tesla not ban him from making promises in tweets? Is it because they help the stock price more than they hurt it?


You try telling Elon Musk not to post stuff. He ended up being forced to buy Twitter and pay an SEC fine because he tweets too much. He's going to post whatever he feels like, no matter what you, or anyone at Tesla, or the SEC says.


"He's not going to listen to anything anyone at the SEC says!"

"...but he will pay their fines."

what a renegade!


"A fine is just an overpriced cost."


The inference to draw is that the case was just?


Or that the man posts stuff whether it's true or not. Based on the history, maybe it's safer to ignore this and just judge the actions.


I wouldn't be surprised if Elon considers it just. Most people consider it just that a revolutionary technology owner is being held liable for their actions, even if they are nearly a decade afterwards.

Regulation for big corporations are more like suggestions these days, so this may even feel "fair enough" for Elon in retrospect.


Or the tweet was bullshit, and Tesla will do what every company does and determine whether it is better to settle or not based on the financial cost/benefit and not the truth or validity of the claim.


Or, that his commitment is at odds with his fiduciary duty.


I think lawyers have a different meaning for hard core. I mean, it sounds absurd to call your lawyers hard core.

Just to do what he is asking you would need a team like oj had but for each simultaneous case. He should start a law firm next.


Yep, it's the second case they settle in 2 months.


Must have been just cases then...


The inference that an out of court settlement instead of trial by jury means an unjust outcome is an oversimplification at best.



ouff, this tweet did not age well


Sounds like they must have settled a just case.


Elon Musk says: "My commitment:

- We will never seek victory in a just case against us, even if we will probably win.

- We will never surrender/settle an unjust case against us, even if we will probably lose. "

And yet Elon Musk filed harassing lawsuits against his critics Media Matters for America and the Center for Countering Digital Hate.

Musk's SLAPP suits are contrary to his purported love of free speech. They are manifestly unjust.


The user that created that video is known to have preference for Tesla (based on Twitter posts and their YouTube channel is all about Tesla), the video may be biased.

The Consumer Reports comparison at the beginning of the video is Mercedes "Driver Assistance" vs Tesla "Autopilot". These are technologies for lane assistance, speed limit assistance, etc. "Advanced cruise control" is a better term for these. This video does not compare these.

Mercedes self driving system is called "Drive Pilot". Tesla's is called "FSD" (Full Self Driving)

This video compares FSD to Drive Assist, these are two different types of technologies.


I definitely trust Consumer Reports more than whoever these randos are, particularly because it was pretty easy to see the pro-Tesla bias from the beginning even without being familiar with their other content. And I would think anyone would have alarm bells going off given the unbelievable 44 interventions to zero interventions result.


>The user that created that video is known to have preference for Tesla (based on Twitter posts and their YouTube is all about Tesla), the video may be biased.

You are really understating this. This account is one of the few accounts that Elon directly responds to on a regular basis on X.


restaurants see orders plummet*

*according to two delivery app companies


To be fair, the opening sentence pretty much sets the stage that this is about ordering for delivery: “A law calling for a $20 minimum wage has led to brutal backlash as customers opt out of ordering delivery in Seattle, Washington. ”


That has no source or link.


Indeed I missed that.


They're only dupes (by HN's duperules) if they have significant discussion anyway.


Also if they are posted nearly simultaneously.


Those you can just flag and/or email in for merging.


Well it technically links to itself.


Related from Oct. 2022: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33207372 - 415 comments



Wow, thank you so much! I've been googling and searching on HN for hours.


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>Especially when 90% of those asked didn't answer the survey at all - upset users are probably more likely to respond to the survey.

Alternatively: many of the 90% didn't answer because they have already left Twitter.


The users were contacted by email, not by twitter message.

You may be right that some users saw a survey about twitter in their inbox and thought "I've already left, therefore I'm not the target audience for that survey".


Or are upset but don't want to spend any more cycles on the topic.


Or maybe they are all dead from Elon Musk taking over twitter. If you don't need to support your assumptions with data, any wild one would do.


This lacks scientific models or sources that quantify the magnitude of the reduction in ship tracks and the resulting impact on sea temperatures. They are not in the science.org article[1] he links either.

Usually posts with little evidence and the use of the phrase "may be causing" result in flagged posts, but not when it fits a certain narrative?

[1] https://www.science.org/content/article/changing-clouds-unfo...


See this thread: https://twitter.com/LeonSimons8/status/1633566568528375811

It still lacks scientific models, though it is too recent a phenomenon for us to have an accurate modelling. Even then, in the last three years we had La Nina which kept the temperatures cold, while this year it's el Nino which is increasing the effect.

Leon Simons presented his findings in front of aerosol society.

I also wanted to ask, what is the certain narrative it fits?


Towards the end of that article were links to a few studies. Here's the first linked study I found: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05122-0


That study says little about fewer ship tracks causing sea warming and nothing about the magnitude of any possible sea warming.


If you'd made it through the abstract you would have read how ship tracks cause cooling.


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