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This title hurts my brain. I don't even know what it's trying to say.


If Uber drivers were classified as employees, rather than contractors, they would be owed $730,000,000 from Uber as reported by US court papers.


justincase80, if title unintelligible, risking headache: post says

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if employees --> if classified as employees


Try making it with Electron http://electron.atom.io/

Then if you decide later you want it to be a web app its not that big of a job to convert it.

I have worked on a surprising number of desktop apps over the years, including Visual Studio and Internet Explorer. But even before that, a lot of businesses rely on desktop applications for a lot of their internal applications.


More likely she would want to draw it out as much as possible so she could get immunity as president.


Presidents aren't immune to the law. But it's theoretically possible that she would be convicted and impeached, and then pardoned by Vice President Bill Clinton after he takes office.


This whole thread is a case study for why we just shouldn't host discussions like this on HN. There are a million better places to do it than here.

Clinton is probably not legally eligible to be Vice President --- a position that, were he to occupy it, would give him no authority over any prosecution (except possibly an impeachment trial --- over which he would preside, but not control).

Clinton is definitely not eligible to serve as President, even if he is the Vice President at the time his President is impeached. The next in succession after VP would be sworn in as President.


> There are a million better places to do it than here.

Where is there informed, intelligent, valuable discussion of politics? I'd love to find it.


MetaFilter isn't bad. Although it's a lot more than just politics.


Plug: I'm launching Discoverboard.com for this in a couple weeks


Great! How will you improve the quality over other boards?


You'll have to verify your phone number to sign up, which will make moderation more effective (hard to make an additional account after getting kicked out).

If it grows and that isn't enough to keep it respectful, I will add a $1-2 signup fee for new users.

I'm also going to be spending most of my time recruiting quality people to join the discussions.


Feedback from one potential user: I won't sign up if I can't do it anonymously. 1) I don't like being tracked, 2) the bad behavior of others who track users has made me resent the practice, and 3) people need to be able to express political opinions without thinking they will be tied to their phone numbers. It threatens the civil rights of unpopular minorities, and I've come across several studies which conclude that people self-censor in those situations.

But how to promote quality? One thing I would like to see is a forum that cracks down on thoughtless posts, especially hyperbole ad rants. It's not only a waste of time but that kind of behavior spreads like a virus.


While I empathize, anonymity makes moderation very hard. Most people I've talked to prefer the tradeoff of reduced anonymity for improved moderation. If you email me at [email protected] I can set you up with a pre-verified account that you can use anonymously.

Quality is hard. I don't think there's any silver bullet, but you can check out the community guidelines at discoverboard.com/about which hope to curtail the thoughtlessness you're talking about.


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It's not very nice to shoo someone away from discussion and then continue the discussion yourself.

> Clinton is definitely not eligible to serve as President

This has never been established. The 22nd Amendment prevents him from being elected President.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/19

Subsections (a), (b), and (d) [every succession category] of this section shall apply only to such officers as are eligible to the office of President under the Constitution.


That all applies when there is no Vice President to act as President. None of it applies to the scenario here, which is wholly covered by the 25th Amendment.

"In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President."

No caveats.


Eh, that they said "elected" and not "eligible" in the 22nd amendment makes me think there is plenty of room for lawyering on this point.


Please see the Twelfth Amendment, particularly the last sentence.


And?

Edit:

There are a couple ways to become president, and only one of them is through an election. Article 2 talks about "eligibility", but says nothing on term limits. Amendment XII only says "eligible" again. Amendment XXII brings up term limits, but only says "elected", never "eligible".

There's a "but obviously..." reply to be made, but I see plenty of opportunity to play word games here.


You all see how silly this thread is, right? It's premised on the idea that Bill Clinton would be Hillary Clinton's VP.


I think today is a good a day as any for having a giggle.


This is Putin becoming a prime minister for a couple of years to fix the constitution type of politics.


> Vice President Bill Clinton

I don't think that the First Husband would have clemency powers ;)


If Hillary Clinton becomes the president, Bill would be colloquially referred to as the "First Gentleman", per tradition.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Lady


I'm pretty sure Bill can't run for VP. And the 3rd in line after VP is Speaker of the House (Paul Ryan, IIRC).


The Twelfth Amendment ends with the following sentence:

"But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

It would seem the Constitution agrees with you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_Unite...


So then, they get Ryan to be VP and install Bill as Speaker. Then they get Ryan to resign. Worth at least two seasons on Netflix.


If she honestly believes she is innocent, she would want it over with ASAP so it doesn't effect her chances in the General Election in Nov.


Also, for windows devs not in the know check this out:

http://cmder.net/


I highly recommend it! It's making my life easier in the office.


This is great.

For the last couple of years, as a windows user, I have just been installing Git Scm, which includes something similar to this and have been using that for all script / command line needs.

If this was baked into Windows so much the better! I would love it if nobody ever wrote a single CMD or PS1 file ever again. Let's please all just converge on bash and put this debate behind us.


> Let's please all just converge on bash

As (I hope most) Unix/Linux users would respond: let's not.

A good thing about the Unix/Linux world is that there is a multiplicity of shells. And this is regularly taken advantage of. I have systems (for example) where my interactive shell is the Z shell and /bin/sh is the Almquist shell. I have others where /bin/sh is the Korn shell.

The "Shellshock" incident should have told everyone that Bourne Again shell everywhere, for everything, is not a good idea.

In any case, this is not a debate to be won/lost in the first place, as I hope Unix/Linux users would also respond. There are places for shell scripts, places for Python, places for perl, places for awk, TCL, REXX, execlineb, and a whole lot of others. One size, one scripting language, does not fit all.

Indeed, if you do eventually gain all the Ubuntu command-line toolsets from this, your options should broaden to those and more besides, not narrow to the Bourne Again shell.


Slack is electron based


Oh man, that explains so much!



Those are not quite the same however. Those actually render the HTML / CSS / JavaScript in an web view of sorts but React Native actually uses the real, native components under the hood.

I hope it's extended to Windows eventually.


React is an abstraction on top of the underlying APIs (in the case of ReactDOM that's the JS API for the DOM, in the case of React Native that's JS wrappers around the native APIs). Cordova and Electron (and nwjs) are just ways to bundle apps running in a stripped down browser rendering HTML and CSS.



Why would you use this instead of Electron?


Because Electron provides an awful UX. It ships with an entire web stack for applications that could be 1/100th the size and 100x the performance if they used a native toolkit instead of a web view. Electron apps also get none of the native L+F that you get if you use an actual toolkit properly. Electron is to the desktop as hybrid apps are to mobile.


I don't think that's true. You can achieve a lot with just react, css, node and the electron APIs. With enough effort and attention to detail you can make an app look and feel native with css (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIRXVGVPzn8), V8 is not /that/ slow, and you have the advantage of using multiple node processes inside electron to offload work. And it's cross platform. Yes, the built apps might end up being big, but that's a trade off I'm willing to take in favor of developing cross platforms apps with a modern and familiar web stack.


>Electron apps also get none of the native L+F that you get if you use an actual toolkit properly.

This is a selling point. CSS can make an app look beautiful, native look-and-feel is always atrocious, everywhere.


The obvious advantage to native look and feel is that it will be familiar to users, and that consistency in itself might make for an overall more beautiful look.

If I use 5 applications and they all look entirely different, it will not look beautiful, and each time I swap to a different application I have to re-familiarize with whatever the UI designer thought was a good idea for that application.


Is it atrocious? At least on OS X, iOS and Android, the native UI is quite good.


Key word can. It's also important to give users a familiar feel across the apps on their platform. The UX must make sense to them.


OSX UX libraries are always was slower than chrome-based. If your chrome-based app is slow then this is problem in your code, not in chrome itself.


Author here. In most cases, Electron is much better in many ways.

I'm working on the code editor right now, so I'd like to build something small (few megabytes), performant, but allows me to use the whole js ecosystem.


Would giving them access to the source code even matter, other than morally speaking?

Meaning, just having the code won't let them crack a phone and it won't let them patch the OS so that its subsequently crackable would it?

When the FBI is worse than the terrorists they need to take a step back and think about the bigger picture a little bit.


I was thinking a good startup company may be an open publication and peer review site. Something where users are non-anonymous and they are weighted by their accomplishments irl. Submissions and peer reviews would be open to anyone but weighted heavily by ranking, which is affected by irl achievements and cumulative quality contributions to the site. Like a combination of stack overflow and wikipedia maybe.

Money would be made by donation (ala wikipedia) and paper submission fees. Perhaps organizational level membership fees, such as universities, etc.

Just an idea I haven't had time to work on.


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