Comments like this are the real source of dread on HN. The guy built a successful side hustle that clearly has found a place in the market, and people just want to shit on it and virtue signal how much cooler they are than ms teams. If it’s not for you, move along if you don't have anything useful to contribute.
The idea that you can’t train on copyrighted materials is ludicrous, imho. So apparently you don’t want humanity and the future of intelligence to benefit from your work? You just want it to keep it locked up in some archive that virtually no one ever reads?
Might as well say the people who read your books aren’t allowed to teach the concepts or theories. Completely asinine argument. If you don’t want the knowledge to proliferate, then don’t publish. They’re not copying and redistributing.
Meanwhile, jurisdictions outside of us copyright protection will leapfrog us because we can’t get out of our own way.
I’m not sure that’s the whole picture. Followed to the logical conclusion, everyone should have the right to pirate whatever books they want and then feed them into a local LLM. Which leads to less kickback to the author, which means they can’t sustainably write, and we end up in a worse off situation.
> The idea that you can’t train on copyrighted materials is ludicrous, imho.
Let us for a minute accept that it is ok to train on copyrighted materials. I don't believe that but I'll humor you. So let's accept it.
To train on copyrighted materials, they need to purchase the copyrighted materials, correct? If you wanted to train a model on all O'reilly books, you'd purchase the O'reilly books first, wouldn't you?
Do you think it is ok to make illegal pirated copies of the book to do your training?
Perhaps, but I can normally force myself in overcome fear/anxiety if there's a real benefit to me. When it comes to these drugs? I can only see neutral or negative outcomes.
The system Ellison describes is one where we know we're under surveillance at all times, so we behave. At the very least, that belief has yet to pervade Western society
We are the ones who would know because we are the ones who would build it. We would at least know that someone is working on it, what it would take to implement and how long it would take to set up.
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