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So buy an Apple and make it look like a Dell. Seems like a winner. /s


Guess I'm the odd one out then, I have never and will never use public wifi networks. I don't even trust connecting through client's office wifi networks. On the rare occasion I have no other option in work situations in client offices, I'll use a VPN through a virtual machine completely isolated from my host environment. It's just not worth the risk. Always wear digital condoms folks.


Was hoping this was referring to Johnny Cage of Mortal Kombat fame. Left disappointed.


Me too. Lets get downvoted together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnBFblnKUvc


As a fellow Apple power user, I share your sentiment regarding the sarcasm. It seems like a change happened in the past few years that to love something, means to love it unconditionally, to the point that you must be blind to it's weaknesses and flaws. Blind to the point that to acknowledge them or, gasp, speak of them, is sacrilege. That's a movement I simply can't buy into. How can anything improve if it can't even acknowledge and be honest with itself about what it's weaknesses and failings are?

Introspection isn't always pleasant, but it's quite often the path toward becoming something better.


The irony is that if Apple had simply said "there will be no update this year", people would probably say "fine, the current OS is good enough for now". But when they do make an fairly small update, it is "disappointing" because it didn't add much. It's neophilia - always wanting "new stuff" for its own sake, even though what we have is pretty good.

A useful criticism would point out exactly what desired additions or changes were missing from the update. However, I'm mainly seeing a lot of general disappointment vaguely around "lack of newness".


No, I wouldn't say it's fine and haven't been - my HN comment history will attest to that. OSX is showing it's age more and more every year. Yosemite. El Capitan. Sierra. You may as well have labeled them iOS integration package 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2.

I have to install at minimum 10+ 3rd-party apps on a clean OSX install just to reach baseline feature parity with other modern operating systems these days.


I install Chrome, Keepingyouawake, spectacle, f/Lux, littlesnitch, MSOffice, atom, iterm2, Xcode and a few others. Many are either done via homebrew or the App Store. Be cool to have a new thread for people's "must have" apps.


Sure, here's the entire list from my last clean install:

http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi


Curious as to what other operating systems come with that bevy of tools, since you said "I have to install at minimum 10+ 3rd-party apps on a clean OSX install just to reach baseline feature parity with other modern operating systems these days."


Oh, no, definitely not. You're right, that would be absolutely ridiculous. The base 10+ apps or so I mentioned earlier are listed a bit further down in this thread here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12555847

That said, Linux is looking more and more appealing every OSX release and with how much I use it already via docker containers, virtual machines and the like, that will probably be my next move if Apple continues removing power user features from OSX while letting software release quality continue it's decline. There are some amazing open source alternatives available for the vast majority of apps on that list that I've been testing for months now as I honestly don't believe Apple really wants to change to meet the needs of yesterdays power users anymore.


And thank goodness for that. Who says I want those 10 things handled the same way you do?


Which 10 apps would that be, if I may ask??


This is the entire list from my last install: http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi

The base apps I almost always start with are:

- Moom (advanced window management)

- Hyperdock (window previews when hovering over dock apps)

- Amphetamine (stop mac from sleeping)

- Alfred (app launcher on steroids)

- FormatMatch (fast toggle copy/paste behavior to include or not text formatting)

- TotalTerminal (drop-down terminal like Quake's console)

- TotalFinder (dual-pane functionality in Finder)

- Radio Silence (simple outgoing app firewall, less annoying than Little Snitch)

- 1Password (everything OSX's keychain should be)

- Parallels (virtualization, it's still a Windows world)


If Apple hadn't released an upgrade, we wouldn't all have to go through the time of upgrading, fixing apps that are broken (or finding new versions, etc). There is a cost to all of Apple's users from OS upgrades, and we can be annoyed that we are spending that time / energy and getting nothing of value back.


I started the upgrade this morning, took a shower and when I came back it was done. Logged in and clicked a couple of buttons (activate Siri etc) and everything was just like I left it when I started the upgrade. I could jump right back in. Perfect.


Fair point that.


Wow. Just wow. If this happens, the game has just changed.

Ron Dennis and Tim Cook. If you replaced Tim Cook's name with anyone else, I wouldn't believe it could ever work. Tim Cook though has already shown how awesome he can work with a manically focused leader driving vision and strategy. All of the sliding of Apple's quality since Job's passing, ceased in one brilliant strategic move.

Bravo Tim Cook, bravo. I'd be shocked if Elon Musk didn't pee himself just a wee bit after hearing this news.


Can you name one Apple product that has decreased in quality since Steve passed? Apple's products today are of higher quality than they've ever been.


Well the Mac has been pretty much abandoned:

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac


Your link shows new Macbooks were released less than six months ago and iMacs less than a year ago.

The only things there more than two years old are the MBP non-Retina, which is essentially an obsolete line, and the Mac pro, which Apple has never seemed massively invested in.


You mentioned the first two on the list, why not the rest? Oh... right... including those paints a very different picture:

Retina MacBook Pro: 491 days since last release

Mac Pro: 1007 days since last release

Macbook Pro: 1563 days since last release

Mac Mini: 706 days since last release

Macbook Air: 562 days since last release

To be fair, the non-retina Macbook Pro and Macbook Air should be removed from the list as their place in the product line is now occupied by the Retina Macbook Pro and Macbook respectively.

That still leaves us with some pretty major product lines looking quite neglected.


> You mentioned the first two on the list, why not the rest?

Huh? I mentioned the Macbook Pro and Mac Pro. All the others fall in my "less than two years old" segment.


Retina MacBook Pro... yes, under two years. But lets see, periods between last updates, 247, 251, 280, 294. Average, 268. Current, 491. Nearly twice that.

Similar with the iMac - at 344, already beyond the average (which was only pulled way out of whack by one 577 day refresh cycle, otherwise it would have been in the 270 day range.

MacBook Air. Average of 350 days, now seven months more...

Mac Mini, similar.

There isn't any way that you can spin this in a way that says Apple isn't neglecting the Mac.


I feel really happy for all those high end Mac users stuck with the Apple Garbage Can.

You're right, they seem entirely disinterested. They tossed it over the fence three years ago.

And to rub salt in the wound they still charge the same price now as the did at launch for Ivy Bridge processors!


But on the other hand, production volume of the Apple Watch was absolutely abysmal while Steve Jobs was alive.


Can you honestly say Apple products "just work" anymore?


Yes, I have virtually no issues ever with any of my Apple products, including ones I use hard and have done so for years.


My iPhone I would crash when writing long emails in Japanese and took shitty pictures, my iPhone 6 writes emails in all languages and takes great pictures.

I would choose an iPhone 6 over any Jobs era phone.


I love all of the advanced functionality hidden just beneath OSX's user-friendly veneer. Sadly, it's been one of the first casualties in the post-Jobs Apple. Every new release of OSX along with Apple's own apps, the first thing I check is holding down the alt/option key while clicking the various menu items to see what nuggets of alternate functionality appear. Every day, every release - less and less, if any at all. So sad.


Pressing a modifier key to see alternate options is further "down" than "just beneath"?


Microsoft has clearly identified this weakness as well. It's no coincidence the bash prompt has suddenly become available in windows...


Microsoft have many of the same weaknesses though. The new Windows Modern UI apps or whatever they call it now are awful. Mail? Calendar? Wow. Even Outlook Express was better.

And the new Settings app? Dear holy deity..


Exactly why I make mine transparent: http://imgur.com/a/AXNy9

Contrary to popular belief these days, contrast is not the enemy.


What app is that you have the checklist in?


Just the built-in apple notes app - starting with El Capitan it has checklists now


How'd you make it transparent?



Absolutely right.


And I turn it on EVERY time I setup a new OSX install - I want to bloody well know for damn sure whether I'm on HTTP or HTTPS when I'm on websites and some stupid little lock icon ain't gonna cut it when I'm passing credit card and banking info over the net. A problem further exacerbated by the SSL variants (extended-validation SSL certs causing green text showing company name to appear beside the lock icon - bankofamerica.com compared to news.ycombinator.com for example). This article is dead on the money.


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