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1Q20-Earnings-Call-Transcript
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CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Maurita B. Sutedja Gregory D. Smith
Vice President-Investor Relations, The Boeing Co. Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and
Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co.
David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co.
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OTHER PARTICIPANTS
Peter J. Arment Douglas S. Harned
Analyst, Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC
Robert Spingarn Ronald J. Epstein
Analyst, Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC Analyst, BofA Securities, Inc.
Seth M. Seifman Sheila Kahyaoglu
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities LLC Analyst, Jefferies LLC
Carter Copeland Jonathan Raviv
Analyst, Melius Research LLC Analyst, Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.
Noah Poponak Myles Walton
Analyst, Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC Analyst, UBS Securities LLC
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At this time for opening remarks and introductions, I am turning the call over to Ms. Maurita Sutedja, Vice
President of Investor Relations for The Boeing Company. Ms. Sutedja, please go ahead.
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Maurita B. Sutedja
Vice President-Investor Relations, The Boeing Co.
Thank you, John, and good morning. Welcome to Boeing's first quarter 2020 earnings call. I'm Maurita Sutedja,
and with me today are David Calhoun, Boeing's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Greg Smith, Boeing's
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer. After management comments, we
will conduct a question-and-answer session. In fairness to others on the call, we ask that you please limit yourself
to one question.
As always, we have provided detailed financial information in our press release issued earlier today. As a
reminder, you can follow today's broadcast and slide presentation through our website at boeing.com.
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Before we begin, I need to remind you that any projections, estimates, and goals we include in our discussion this
morning are likely to involve risks, which are detailed in our news release, in our various SEC filings, and in the
forward-looking statement disclaimer at the end of this web presentation. In addition, we refer you to our earnings
release and presentation for disclosures and reconciliation of certain non-GAAP measures.
David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co.
Thank you, Maurita, and good morning, everyone.
I want to start by saying I hope you are all staying safe and healthy during this global crisis. I also want to thank
my Boeing colleagues around the globe for everything they are doing to support each other, our business, and
our customers during these intensely challenging times. On behalf of Boeing, I'd like to recognize all of the public
servants out there, from federal, state, and local authorities to front-line healthcare professionals and first
responders for the difficult decisions and the personal risks they are making to protect and care for all of us.
Let's turn to the second slide, please. The COVID-19 pandemic is a global crisis like no other. This hits home for
us personally and professionally. Across Boeing, we're focused on keeping our people and our communities safe.
We're battling to stop the virus by taking every measure possible, including early implementation of virtual work,
deep cleaning our work areas, adjusting work patterns, adding visual indicators to increase social distancing, and
temperature screening stations with no-touch thermal scanners, providing access to medical information around
the clock, quarantining anyone potentially exposed to the virus, suspending operations where necessary, and
more.
We have doubled our paid leave policy for those who cannot work remotely when their sites are suspended. At
sites where we've had to temporarily suspend operations, we've worked closely with our customers to ensure we
maintain critical support for them. And before bringing our teams back to work, we've implemented objective and
rigorous steps aligned with federal and state guidance to ensure safe and orderly restart of operations.
Earlier this week, we announced that we will resume operations at our Boeing South Carolina site beginning on
May 3. This move brings back our final production site that was temporarily suspended as a result of COVID-19.
We're also doing everything we can to support our global supply chain health. A number of our suppliers have
suspended or reduced their operations, resulting in some supply shortages for our own operations. In some
cases, this contributed to our site suspension decisions. We've taken mitigating actions where we can, but supply
disruption remains a key watch item for us.
At the other end of our value chain, we continue to support our Commercial Airplanes and Services customers as
their own business slows to a trickle. We've also focused on meeting the commitments to our Defense and Space
customers.
Given the swift and severe nature of this COVID-19 shock, to preserve the long-term competitiveness of our
company as well as our industry, we are intensely focused on ensuring liquidity through the immediate crisis. We
welcome that some 26 countries, including the United States, have announced economic support packages worth
more than $100 billion specifically targeting the aerospace and airline sectors. The aerospace industry relies on a
global shared supply chain, and the aviation sector supports 3.6% of the global GDP, generating more than 65
million jobs worldwide.
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In the US, we applaud the administration and Congress for working together to pass the CARES Act, which will
be critical to supporting the nation's entire aerospace manufacturing sector, which comprise 2.5 million jobs and
17,000 suppliers. We expect that programs coming out of the bill and funding options the government is putting in
place will provide support to help the credit markets function again, providing the liquidity that is vital to our
industry's ability to bridge recovery.
The $25 billion support package agreed to by the US airlines and the government is a pivotal step toward
maintaining the aviation pillar of the US economy, even if full recovery will take years, not months. Knowing that
the US airline industry has critical financial support through the pandemic allows us to plan our production and
services system for the medium and long-term impact on air travel.
Greg will go through our liquidity situation in more detail a bit later, but let me just say we believe that government
support will be critical to ensuring our industry's access to liquidity. We continue to evaluate options in the capital
markets as well as funding options from the US government via the US Treasury and various Federal Reserve
programs.
We've also taken other aggressive liquidity steps, including drawing down on our term loan, reducing operating
cost, suspending dividend payments, terminating share repurchase authorization, reducing or deferring non-
critical spend, and accelerating some progress payment receipts with the help from our Defense customers.
Additionally, we are working to resize and reshape our business, starting at the top with our leadership structure.
We are consolidating roles, simplifying processes, and focusing accountabilities. As part of this reorganization,
I've asked Greg Smith, who most of you know well, to take additional responsibilities leading our enterprise
manufacturing, supply chain, and services functions in addition to his CFO and strategy roles.
Before I turn to our longer-term business environment and the steps we're taking to prepare for it, I want to call
out the selfless contributions Boeing employees have made to the broader fight against the coronavirus. They've
been producing protective face shields for distribution to healthcare professionals, have flown our aircraft on
missions to transport critical healthcare supplies around the world, donated masks, gloves, and other equipment,
and contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to food centers for people in need. And that's just a partial list.
Now I'd like to turn the attention to the outlook for our industry, highlighted on slide 3. The air travel industry has
never seen anything quite like this. The latest IATA forecast projects full-year passenger traffic to be down 48%
this year compared to 2019, as global economic activity slows down due to the COVID-19 and the governments
severely restricting travel to contain the spread of that virus.
Here in the US, passenger traffic at this moment in time is down 95% compared to a year ago. Airlines are cutting
back operations dramatically as they assess their businesses. They're making difficult decisions that result in
grounding fleets, deferring airplane orders, postponing acceptance of completed orders, and slowing down or
stopping payments. They are also accelerating aircraft retirements and requiring fewer services.
The fundamentals that have driven air travel the past five decades and doubled air traffic over the past two
decades remain intact. We believe this industry will recover, but it will take two to three years for travel to return
to 2019 levels, and it will be a few years beyond that for the industry to return to long-term growth trends.
Our outlook is informed by decades of analysis and insights on customer behavior, including how the industry has
reacted to prior market shocks. We incorporated assumptions related to a prolonged recession and potential
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consolidation within the industry in our assessment. The picture is dynamic and subject to many unknowns. But
as we see it today, narrow-body airplanes will lead the way to recovery, trailed by wide-body fleets as airlines
progressively bring their networks back online. Therefore, wide-body passenger fleets will likely be more
significantly impacted than narrow-body airplanes in the near term.
A key driver in both segments will be the rate of retirements of older fleets. We expect our customers to look at
their fleet planning strategies differently in light of these dynamics. More than 2,500 aircraft with 20-plus years of
service were in active service prior to the crisis. Replacements will not be uniform, as airlines will focus on the
oldest and least efficient to retire. Some airlines have already made announcements to this effect. Airplanes that
we plan to deliver this year will be 25% to 40% more fuel-efficient than the airplanes that they're replacing.
Our position is helped by the value proposition of our family of airplanes and the diversity of our backlog. This
includes our market-leading 787 Dreamliner family, our unmatched cargo lineup, the world's largest and most
efficient twin-engine jet, 777X, and the versatile 737 family. To balance the supply and demand given the
COVID-19 shock and to preserve our long-term potential and competitiveness, we have decided to reduce the
production rates of several of our Commercial Airplane programs.
Let's turn to slide 4. In the narrow-body segment, we have assumed that we will resume 737 MAX aircraft
production at low rates in 2020, as timing and conditions of return-to-service are better understood. We expect to
gradually increase the production rate to 31 during 2021, with further gradual increases that correspond with
market demand. The slower production rate ramp-up reflects commercial airline industry uncertainty due to the
impact of COVID-19, and the production rate ramp profile is also affected by the pace of delivery of our stored
aircraft.
We continue to see our new MAX airplanes creating capacity for growth and providing required replacements for
older, less efficient airplanes. We will continue to work closely with our customers to review their fleet plans and
make adjustments where appropriate to adapt to lower than planned 737 MAX production in the near term,
provide more flexibility to deliver MAX airplanes in our backlog, and protect the value of the MAX family.
Moving to the wide-body segment, we now plan to reduce the 787 production rate to 10 per month in 2020 and
then gradually reduce to seven per month by 2022. We will continue to evaluate the rate beyond 2022 to balance
supply and demand. Our 787 Dreamliner family has a compelling value proposition, offering unparalleled fuel
efficiency and range flexibility, enabling carriers to optimize fleet and network performance as well as profitably
expanding to new markets.
Turning to the 777X, we've made progress on the 777X certification requirements and have resumed flight testing
with the restart of our operations in the Puget Sound. We currently expect first delivery of the 777-9 to be in 2021
and will continue to manage the risks inherent in any development program, especially ones around certification
in the post-MAX environment and COVID-19 related impacts. We now expect to deliver 777 at an average rate of
approximately 2.5 per month in 2020. And due to the market uncertainties driven primarily by the impacts of
COVID-19, we plan to reduce the combined 777/777X production rate to three per month in 2021.
We will take a measured approach to the 777X rate ramp as we will look to minimize the amount of change
incorporation work by managing the number of aircraft produced prior to entry into service. On the 777, as I
discussed earlier, we will continue to closely monitor the cargo market and carefully manage our skyline.
Finally, we'll make no change to the 767 and 747 production rates at this time. These programs are targeted for
the cargo market, and approximately half of the 767 production line is dedicated to the tanker program.
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These rate decisions are based on our current assessment of the demand environment, taking into account a
host of risks and opportunities. We will closely monitor the key factors that affect our skyline, including the wide-
body replacement cycle and the cargo market. We will maintain a disciplined rate management process and make
adjustments as appropriate in the future.
Now let's turn to slide 5. The diversity of our portfolio is unmatched, and our Government Services, Defense and
Space programs will provide critical stability for us moving forward. In fact, our work in these areas accounted for
45% of our overall revenue in 2019. That will obviously increase in the year ahead.
At Defense, Space & Security, we continue to see a healthy market with solid demand for our major platforms and
programs both domestically and internationally. Despite some near-term production impacts associated with our
temporary suspension of operations at various locations, our portfolio of programs and technologies remains well-
aligned to our customers' missions. We are also well-positioned with proven world-class platforms to address
current needs, and innovative, capable, and affordable new franchise programs for the future.
For example, the President's budget request for fiscal year 2021 supports key Boeing programs, including the V-
22 and Apache, 12 F-15EX aircraft, and 15 KC-46A tankers. It also requests funding in line with the expected
development profile of future franchise programs, the MQ-25, the T-7A Red Hawk, and the MH-139A Grey Wolf,
and our extra-large unmanned undersea vehicle. We have received broad support from the Pentagon for
programs and products across the BDS portfolio.
We are continuously improving performance of our existing platforms, including the KC-46A tanker and our Space
programs. And while the tanker program has had delays and other challenges, with this month's agreement with
the US Air Force to develop and integrate a new remote vision system, we will ensure the KC-46 becomes the
standard by which all future refueling aircraft are measured. Given its 2020 design update, no other tanker will
have the technological capabilities of the KC-46. The men and women of the US Air Force have our full
commitment, and our investment in the tanker reinforces that dedication.
Our Space teams completed the core stage of NASA's Space Launch System and learned key lessons from the
CST-100 Starliner's orbital flight test. We will refly this test to demonstrate the quality of the Starliner system,
paving the way for future crewed flights. It is the right thing to do for our NASA customer and the astronauts who
ultimately fly on it. As you may recall, we provisioned for another uncrewed mission in our financials last quarter.
On the Services side, we are seeing a direct impact on our commercial supply chain business as fewer flights
result in a decreased demand for our parts and logistics offerings. Our commercial customers are curtailing
discretionary spend such as modifications and upgrades and focusing on required maintenance. We anticipate
accelerated retirement of older airplanes, which will result in a newer fleet when air travel resumes to previous
levels, which will prolong the period of decreased demand for our Commercial Services offerings. Similar to
Commercial Airplanes, we expect a multiyear recovery period for the Commercial Services business.
The demand outlook for our Government Services business, which in 2019 accounted for just under half of the
BGS revenue, it remains stable. The strength of Government Services provides a strong foundation for our overall
Services business. We see growth in a number of Government Services areas, including ramp-ups to support
international customers with training, logistics, and supply chain offerings, as well as growth on key US programs.
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In summary, our industry is going to look very different as a result of this pandemic and the economic impact it
has had on airlines and schedules around the world. The resulting reductions in the BCA production rates I
outlined will require us to make similar adjustment in our infrastructure, our spending, and our workforce.
We will be a smaller company for a while. We've worked hard to maintain the stability of our workforce, avoiding
layoffs even through the suspension of MAX production, doubling the length of time we pay employees impacted
by the COVID-induced shutdown of Puget Sound, Charleston, and other sites, bringing people back to work at
those sites as soon as we safely could. But the sharp reduction in demand for our airplanes that we see out over
the next several years won't support the size of the workforce we have today.
At this time, we are taking action to reduce our workforce by approximately 10% of our roughly 160,000
employees by end of this year through the combination of voluntary layoffs, attrition, and involuntary layoffs as
necessary. This is 10% of the total for our enterprise. We'll have to make even deeper reductions in areas that are
most exposed to the condition of our commercial customers, more than 15% across Commercial Airplanes and
Services businesses, as well as our corporate functions. At the same time, the ongoing stability of our Defense,
Space, and related Services businesses will help us limit the overall depth of the cut.
Of course, we will continue to monitor market conditions closely in light of the unpredictable factors currently
driving it, and we will make ongoing adjustments as appropriate. We will continuously work to shape our business
to compete in what we think the market will look like over the next five years.
I shared this news with our employees this morning, and I committed to implementing these reductions as fairly,
respectfully, and transparently as possible, and to providing as much support for our employees as we can
through the duration of the global health emergency we are facing.
Before I turn this over to Greg, I want to update you on a couple of other important topics, first, our progress on
safely returning the 737 MAX to service. We're continuing our work on the safe return of the MAX to service,
working closely with the FAA and other global regulators. Right now we are focused on completing the software
validation and required technical documentation that will precede a certification flight. Some of this documentation
work has taken longer than we anticipated, and the coronavirus situation has also required some changes to how
we do things, including working remotely and virtual meetings with our regulators.
With that said, we've continued to make very solid progress, and we currently expect that the necessary
regulatory approvals will be obtained in time to support resumption of 737 MAX deliveries during the third quarter.
Of course, the actual timing will ultimately be determined by our regulators.
In the meantime, we have approximately 450 737 MAX aircraft built and stored, and our MAX backlog has
remained strong throughout this process at approximately 4,000 aircraft. They are the most fuel-efficient narrow-
body planes on the market, with useful lives well over 25 years. We have been working proactively with our
customers to maintain the health of this backlog while responding to their needs.
Turning to Embraer, we announced Saturday that we have terminated the agreement to establish a strategic
partnership between our two companies, covering both the planned Commercial and Defense joint ventures. We
worked diligently for two years to finalize the transaction, but ultimately we could not come to resolution around
critical unsatisfied conditions for the deal under our master transaction agreement. It is deeply disappointing, but
we have reached a point where continued negotiation was no longer helpful. And so we exercised the rights set
out in the MTA to terminate the agreement.
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Looking ahead, we will continue to concentrate on what is most important across Boeing. To that end, I
established six company priorities in January. They included returning the 737 MAX safely to service and earning
back trust with our stakeholders. We are also committed to delivering excellence across our businesses and
restoring our production health, and we are determined to invest in our future while always living our values. We
will not lose sight of the importance of making investments that are critical to our future, such as continuing to
progress on our development programs such as the 777X and the 737 MAX 10.
With that, let me turn it over to Greg for an update on our financial performance. Greg?
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co.
Great. Thanks, Dave, and good morning, everyone. Let's please turn to slide 6 for our first quarter results.
Our first quarter results were primarily driven by the COVID-19 impacts and the 737 MAX grounding. Revenue,
earnings per share, and operating cash were materially reduced. Prior to experiencing COVID-19 impacts, we
were tracking well to meeting our original internal first quarter forecast. Our revenue of $16.9 billion reflects lower
737 MAX deliveries versus first quarter of last year as well as fewer deliveries in the quarter due to COVID-19.
Core earnings per share was negative $1.70, and earnings in the quarter were also impacted by a charge on the
KC-46A tanker program.
Before we discuss the segment performance, let me touch on 737 MAX. As Dave mentioned, we currently have
approximately 450 737 MAX aircraft built and stored in inventory. We continue to monitor and maintain these
aircraft on a regular basis, including completing more than 1,000 flights over the past year. Also, as mentioned,
primarily due to COVID-19 impacts, we've revised our assumptions on timing and the profile of deliveries from
storage and the production rate ramp. Delivery from storage will continue to be priority one post assisting our
customers with their return to service. These aircraft in storage will convert to significant operating cash over the
period of time it takes to deliver these aircraft out of inventory.
In preparation for our first quarter financial statements, we made certain assumptions, including timing of initial
deliveries, production, and rate ramp profiles. We've assumed that we will begin 737 MAX aircraft production at
low rates during the second quarter of 2020, as timing and conditions of return to service and COVID-19 impacts
are better understood. We expect to gradually increase the production rate to 31 during 2021 and expect further
gradual increases to correspond with market demand.
We've assumed that the timing of the regulatory approvals will enable the 737 MAX deliveries to resume during
the third quarter of 2020. We've also assumed the majority of the 737 MAX aircraft produced during the grounding
and included within inventory will be delivered during the first year after the resumption of deliveries, although
again at a slower pace than we have previously assumed. Again, the slower production and delivery rate ramp
reflects commercial airline industry impacts as a result of COVID-19.
In the first quarter, we reduced the number of aircraft in the 737 accounting quantity by 400 units as a result of the
reduction to planned production rates due to COVID-19. The reduction to the planned production rates will result
in further increases in cost to produce undelivered aircraft, primarily due to additional fixed cost absorption. This
reduces program margins after deliveries resume.
In addition, abnormally low production rates will extend for a longer period once production resumes and is
expected to result in around $1 billion of additional abnormal production costs, increasing the total from
approximately $4 billion to $5 billion. These will be expensed as incurred, and we expect the majority of these
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abnormal production costs to be expensed this year. During the first quarter, we expensed $797 million of
abnormal production costs. Any changes to these assumptions could require us to recognize additional financial
impacts.
There's no material change to our estimate of potential concessions and other considerations to customers for
disruption related to the MAX grounding and associated delivery delays. In the first quarter, we reduced the
liability balance by approximately $700 million, primarily through cash payments. We continue to address the
impact individually, customer by customer, including assessing the impacts the MAX disruption is having on their
operations in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. We also continue to expect any concessions or other
considerations to be provided over a number of years, with the cash impact to be more front-loaded in the first few
years.
Let's now move to the Commercial Airplanes on slide 7. Our Commercial Airplane business revenue decreased to
$6.2 billion during quarter, reflecting lower deliveries, primarily by the 737 MAX grounding as well as impacts of
COVID-19.
Operating margins declined to negative 33.3% due to the following: lower delivery volume; $797 million of
abnormal costs from the temporary suspension of the MAX program mentioned earlier; a $336 million charge
related to the 737 next-generation frame-fitting component, also known as the pickle fork, and the repair costs
associated with that; lower 787 margins, primarily due to rate reductions related to COVID-19; and $137 million of
abnormal production costs from the temporary suspension of Puget Sound operations in response to COVID-19.
We saw approximately one week impact of these costs in the quarter. We expect to see additional abnormal costs
in the second quarter related to the suspension of our Puget Sound and also our Charleston sites due to COVID-
19 through April and early May.
The 787 program margin decreased in the quarter, primarily due to lower planned production rates, which drove
additional fixed cost absorption, higher disruption costs, and a 100-unit contraction of the accounting quantity,
requiring us to recognize the remaining deferred balance over fewer aircraft. BCA backlog includes over 5,000
airplanes valued at $352 billion.
As Dave mentioned earlier, the COVID-19 pandemic has significantly impacted aircraft demand. We're taking
actions as a result of these new realities by adjusting production rates and our infrastructure, which will position
us for the future and help us bridge to recovery. These rate decisions are based on current assessment of our
demand environment, and we will continue to closely monitor these factors that affect our skyline and make rate
adjustments as appropriate in the future.
Let's now move to Defense, Space & Security on slide 8. First quarter revenue decreased to $6 billion, primarily
driven by the charge on the KC-46A tanker. BDS operating margins of negative 3.2%, primarily due to pre-tax
charge of $827 million for the KC-46A tanker, of which $551 million was driven by costs associated with the
agreement signed in April with the US Air Force to develop and integrate our new remote vision system, while the
remaining costs reflect productivity inefficiencies and COVID-19 related factory disruption.
A number of other programs, including the VC-25B, were also impacted by COVID-19, further reducing margin in
the quarter. There are provisions of the CARES Act in our contracts that may provide an opportunity to recover
some of these costs related to COVID-19 over time, and we'll continue to evaluate them.
During the quarter, BDS won key contracts worth $6 billion, and our backlog now stands at $64 billion, with 28%
from outside the United States.
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Let's turn to Boeing Global Services results on slide 9. In the first quarter, Global Services revenue was flat at
$4.6 billion, reflecting higher Government Services volume, largely offset by lower Commercial Services volume
due to COVID-19. BGS operating margin increased to 15.3%, primarily due to favorable Government Services
performance. During the quarter, BGS won key contract awards worth approximately $4 billion, which brings its
backlog now to approximately $23 billion.
We only saw the beginning of the impact of COVID-19 on our Commercial Services demand for the first quarter,
and we expect COVID-19 to have a significantly larger impact on the BGS business in future periods. To respond
to this changing market dynamic, we are taking a number of proactive steps to right-size and ultimately better
position our business for these new market realities. These include employment actions as well as proactively
taking steps to right-size our inventory and tailor our portfolio to ensure that we're positioned to serve our
customers both through this challenging time and when the industry begins to recover.
Let's turn now to cash flow on slide 10. During our last earnings call, we shared that the use of cash flow this year
is expected to be greater than 2019. Clearly, COVID-19 has made our cash flow situation even more challenging
in 2020. The shift and severe impact this has had on the airlines and the global economy has added significant
pressure on our cash receipts. Operating cash flow for the first quarter was negative $4.3 billion, driven by the
lower Commercial Airplane delivery volume, advance payments, and impact of COVID-19 in timing of receipts
and expenditures. And as discussed, COVID-19 also caused delivery and production disruption in the quarter.
Also in the quarter, we spent $428 million on capital expenditures, paid $1.2 billion in dividends which were
declared last December, and paid $2.2 billion of debt maturity.
The COVID-19 pandemic is clearly presenting unprecedented challenges for our industry and our company.
We're taking a number of actions to accelerate and conserve cash. In March 2020, we suspended payment of our
dividend until further notice. Since April 2019, we have suspended our share repurchase program, and in March
2020, our Board of Directors terminated its prior authorization to repurchase shares of the company's common
stock.
And as previously mentioned, we have taken actions to reduce production rates in our Commercial business, and
we have furloughed certain employees. And as Dave discussed, we'll be taking workforce actions through a
combination of voluntary layoffs, attrition, and involuntary layoffs as necessary. We have and we will continue to
reduce discretionary spending, also reducing or deferring research and development and capital expenditures,
but we will continue spending in key priorities and technologies that will be critical to our future and to our
customers' success.
We are working with our government customers to assess and mitigate any impacts associated with the COVID-
19 pandemic. We appreciate the steps that the Department of Defense has taken to work with its industry
partners to improve near-term liquidity in the forms of increased progress payment rates and reductions in
withholds, among other initiatives. In pursuit of the CARES Act, we're also deferring certain tax payments.
We are working with our supply chain partners to carefully manage liquidity but at the same time doing everything
we can do to manage the stability and health of our supply chain as we manage through this demand shock to
protect the long-term health of the US aerospace industry. We are focused on the best ways to keep liquidity
flowing through our business and to our supply chain through this period. The most important source of liquidity
for our suppliers is good credit of the OEM and Tier 1 suppliers.
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As I mentioned, prior to COVID-19, we were tracking our internal first quarter and full-year forecast. Also as
mentioned, COVID-19 is clearly putting additional pressure on 2020 cash flow, and we expect operating cash to
be more negative in 2020. We also expect a slower cash flow recovery going forward due to the revised 737 MAX
delivery profile and the new wide-body production rates. Outside Commercial Airplanes and Commercial
Services, we expect cash flow generation to be solid and in line with earnings on the government side of our
business.
Let's now move to slide 11, and we'll discuss liquidity position and financial planning. As previously discussed, we
drew down the $13.8 billion delayed draw term loan early to help shore up our liquidity position as we work
through the current challenges. Also in the quarter, we paid down $2.2 billion of debt maturity, resulting in an
$11.6 billion increase, bringing the total debt balance now to $38.9 billion. We ended the quarter with $15.5 billion
of cash and marketable securities. Again, due to COVID-19, our daily use of cash has continued to reduce this
balance. We continue to have access to our $9.6 billion revolving credit facility, which to date has not been drawn
upon.
Given the significant impact of COVID-19 on our operating cash, we are proactively managing our cash position
and working to access additional liquidity. We believe that government support will be critical to ensure our
industry's access to liquidity, and we continue to evaluate options in the capital markets as well as funding options
from the US government via the US Treasury and various Federal Reserve programs.
We will continue to review all available access and select the best options for our company. We believe through a
combination of our actions and our ability to access additional liquidity, we will be able to obtain sufficient cash to
fund our operations. Managing our liquidity and balance sheet leverage are top priorities as we navigate this
challenging environment. We plan to immediately reduce our debt levels once our cash flow generation returns to
more normal levels.
Again, we will not lose sight of making necessary investments in our business, our people, new technology, and
better processes and tools that are critical to our future. This includes recent organizational changes, as Dave
mentioned, to simplify and streamline roles and responsibilities and prepare now for the post-pandemic industry
footprint. As part of that, I'm excited to take on a new role and work closely with our teams across the business
units to drive operational excellence and restore production and supply chain health as we and the broader
aerospace industry recover from the COVID-19 pandemic and rebuild stronger.
The current environment is obviously very challenging and extremely dynamic. We're staying fully engaged with
our customers, continually assessing the changing environment to ensure we have the right mindset about the
near and longer-term demand. And, as we discussed, we're taking and will continue to take appropriate action to
bridge to recovery. Our company and the US aerospace industry and the 17,000 suppliers supporting it can
remain healthy and be well-positioned to capture future opportunities when we all emerge on the other side of this
crisis.
With that, I'll turn it back over to Dave for some closing comments.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co.
Thanks, Greg.
We're in an unprecedented period for the industry and the world, and I'm humbled and privileged to lead the
talented people of Boeing. We are and will be taking the right action to navigate through this pandemic, support
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our workforce, maintain supply chain continuity and stability, and position for a changing market. We continue to
support our Defense customers in their critical national security missions. We are progressing toward the safe
return to service of the 737 MAX, and we are driving safety, quality, and operational excellence into all that we do
every day. And through it all, we are keeping the health of our employees, their families, and our communities top
of mind.
We believe the long-term industry fundamentals remain strong and air travel will recover. Our portfolio of products
and technology is well-positioned, and we're confident we will emerge from this crisis and thrive again as a leader
of our industry. History has proven Boeing is a company that rises to these challenges.
With that, Greg and I will be happy to take your questions. Thank you.
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Peter J. Arment
Analyst, Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. Q
Good morning, Dave and Greg. Thanks for your time.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning, Peter.
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Peter J. Arment
Analyst, Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. Q
I don't know whether this question is for Dave or Greg, but maybe just Dave. The pace of deliveries for the stored
fleet once you get back to certification in Q3, over I guess the majority you're going to be looking to deliver over
kind of a 12-month period, and then squaring that against the warming up of the production line and trying to get
to a target of 31 aircraft just seems like a lot of deliveries. Maybe you could just kind of walk us through how
you're arriving at that. I know that's just given the backdrop of what we're seeing in air travel right now. Thanks.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Thank you. Number one, as you probably know and has been reported on widely, we have been having
conversations, intense ones, for the better part of a month with our MAX customers about delivery and when to
take them. And I would call it a wide variation with respect to what they ask for. Some want them right away.
Some of them want to defer for quite a while. Our assessment is reflected in these numbers based on those
interactions. And yeah, there's more to be had. But we think it sort of accurately reflects that. And if anything, in
light of now all of the government resources that have been provided to many of the airlines, which a month ago
were still in doubt, some of that has settled down.
So now with respect to priorities, our priority will be to deliver the finished goods inventory that we have. And as a
result, the production rate is the one that we will sort of change based on what happens in the marketplace. If the
marketplace gets more robust for any reason, we'll increase that rate sooner rather than later, and if it defers
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and/or gets any worse, we will do the opposite. So the variable in this is going to be the production rate. And the
rate we've chosen now, this 31 number, and a slow pace to get to 31, reflects everything we know about the
conversations with all of our MAX customers.
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Peter J. Arment
Analyst, Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. Q
Thank you.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Yes.
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Operator: And our next question is from Rob Spingarn with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
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Robert Spingarn
Analyst, Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC Q
Good morning.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning, Rob.
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Robert Spingarn
Analyst, Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC Q
Greg, this one is for you, Greg. Let's say that the seven 787s per month and 31 MAXs in 2022 and I guess three
777s is the new normal. What kind of free cash flow profile would you have with that, assuming stable BDS and a
reasonable recovery at BGS? I'm talking about 2022 now.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Clearly, Rob, to Peter's question to Dave, that is, I would say, the single biggest driver. To your point, we've kind
of laid out at least currently how we're thinking about production rates in that timeframe. But the single biggest
driver of that will be the MAX. And not only priority one delivering off that ramp as being the first step, but then
that production rate increase from there, and so obviously the market is going to inform us how we can – if we
have the right profile that we've established today based on the numerous discussions that we've had with the
customer. But that will be the single biggest driver within that period.
And then I'd say outside of that is the 777 and the 777X. As you know, the 777X is a use of cash this year, will
peak this year. We expect it to be a use of cash next year, but then it's cash flow positive in the following year. So
that transition that will take place will be key to 2022 cash flow. Obviously, we expect 2022 to be much better than
what we're experiencing this year and next, but those will be the real, I'll say, key operational drivers that will allow
us to get there.
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Robert Spingarn
Analyst, Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC Q
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But, Greg, is there any way to quantify what cash flow looks like with 787 at seven a month, half of what the peak
rate has been? And with the 737, just a little over half what that targeted mature rate would be? How do we think
about what cash flow looks like in that environment?
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Rob, I don't want to get into specifics on that timeframe because obviously, as we sit here today, 2022 feels like a
long way away considering what we're navigating. But obviously, it will be positive cash flow in that period from
those key drivers. How positive? It will really obviously depend on rates even further going out, and not delivery
rates as much but production rates and advances that could impact 2022 positively or negatively depending on
where rates go from there. But those will be the big drivers.
And like I said, now with these production rates we've established, that's our best assessment at this time, and
that could change, and we'll size accordingly to do that. But 2022 starts to feel like a more normal year certainly
than what we've experienced in 2019 and what we're going to experience in 2020.
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Robert Spingarn
Analyst, Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC Q
Okay, fair enough. Thank you, Greg.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Thanks, Rob.
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Operator: Our next question is from the line of Seth Seifman with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
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Seth M. Seifman
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities LLC Q
Thanks very much and good morning.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning, Seth.
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Seth M. Seifman
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities LLC Q
Just a couple questions about liquidity and capital structure. You've got the $15 billion of cash on the balance
sheet but also have $5 billion of short-term debt and burning cash. Can you talk about the timeline? Can you talk
about maybe the $60 billion-plus number for the industry that you guys put out there several weeks ago and kind
of what was in that, and how you think about it now? And can you talk about whether Boeing needs to be an
investment-grade rated company?
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Maybe I'll let Dave to address the industry, and then I'll follow up.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
The $60 billion number, of course, was put together early in this process, and credit markets were as tight as they
could be. And we were trying to assess the fragility of mostly the supply chain, frankly. And we do have some
weak or soft spots in that supply chain.
But with respect to Boeing's role in the health of the supply chain, I think everybody here knows that the real
leverage for us is when we are sound and our credit is good and we place orders against all of our supply chains,
then in fact that provides the liquidity that they need ultimately to make the adjustments that they're going to make
in response for our production rates. So that in and of itself, whatever ultimately we do and the liquidity we provide
to our suppliers is most important. But our number was meant to represent sort of all of the supply chain, 17,000
suppliers, the Tier 1s and the support that the Tier 1s might need, and I can't speak for that. And so again, the
$60 billion number was in fact an industry number, not a Boeing-specific number.
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Seth M. Seifman
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities LLC Q
Right, yes.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
And then, Seth, just as your second part of your question around being investment-grade, certainly we would like
to maintain being investment-grade. And I think, as you've heard and seen, that we're doing everything possible
to do that. But look, the market is probably going to impact that more than anything. Fortunately, as you know, we
started at a position of strength with our balance sheet that's allowed us to navigate it. And as Dave and I
outlined, we're taking all the right steps to manage liquidity day in and day out and prepare for a recovery on the
other side. But at the end of the day, it's going to be what it's going to be on the investment-grade. But certainly
we prefer to stay investment-grade. And again, I think we're taking all the right actions to try to maintain that.
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Seth M. Seifman
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities LLC Q
Thank you.
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Operator: And our next question is from Carter Copeland with Melius Research. Please go ahead.
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Carter Copeland
Analyst, Melius Research LLC Q
Hey. Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for the time.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning, Carter.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning.
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Carter Copeland
Analyst, Melius Research LLC Q
Greg, just quickly on the 787, I just want to make sure I heard you right on the block reduction. I think you said
100 units.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Yes.
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Carter Copeland
Analyst, Melius Research LLC Q
I wondered if you could just give some color on why reduce that. Is that a lack of visibility around unsold pricing?
And then just with respect to that, what that did to the deferred production, it looks like a $2 billion number in the
quarter. That would kind of imply that you've shaved that program margin down to a pretty razor-thin level. Am I
missing something in the math there?
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
No, I think you got it right. The contraction in the cost base was driven by time, so it's staying within the five-year
period that we have on a cost basis. So as a result of producing fewer units, that caused us to contract that cost
base by 100 units.
I would say, even with that contraction, when you look at margin going forward on the 787, even with the lower
production rates, net-net on a unit basis, it holds up pretty well. And the real key drivers of that, even with the
lower volume, like I said, we're going to be impacted by that fixed cost. But you kind of come back to the
fundamentals on the backlog and the profile of the program going forward. When you look at model mix, you look
at supplier step-down, and even with our own productivity, it is impacted, like I said, but not impacted as much as
I think some would expect. So I think those fundamentals – I would ask, don't lose sight of those because they're
still a key driver to cash margin on the program.
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Carter Copeland
Analyst, Melius Research LLC Q
It's just GAAP. All right, thank you for the color.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Maybe one other comment with respect to the market backdrop on the 787, the demand for the 787 is pretty
strong. Our issue is and our assumption is – and we think we're right – is that the international route structures are
going to come back much slower than the domestic ones, and as a result the 787 suffers for that. But otherwise,
the airplane's performance, its utilization right now in the marketplace is pretty amazing, so we feel good about
the airplane. But this push over based on the assumptions we've made, it is what it is.
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Carter Copeland
Analyst, Melius Research LLC Q
Thanks for the color, gentlemen.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
You're welcome.
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Operator: And next we'll go to Noah Poponak with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
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Noah Poponak
Analyst, Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC Q
Hey. Good morning, everyone.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning.
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Noah Poponak
Analyst, Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC Q
I wanted to try, if at all possible, to get precise or more precise on – it's clearly challenging out there, but just how
many of your customers are attempting to revise their position in the delivery skyline. Because the traffic growth
numbers and just the way it feels, it looks and feels like you could imagine literally every single one of your
customers having a conversation with you about deferring or canceling, but you are maintaining 10 a month on
the 787 for the year, which would suggest that's not happening. I'm pretty surprised by that. You're telling us your
conversations with your MAX customers suggest they still want the airplane, for a decent amount of them,
somewhere close to where they originally wanted it.
So I don't know if there's any way to quantify what percentage of your customers are asking to move versus what
percentage of your customers are just sticking to what they had previously, what percentage of the backlog you
expect to be canceled. I'm just trying to get some kind of sense for the degree of turmoil in the immediate term
with your customers' ability to take airplanes.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
So let me take a swing at that. First of all, I'm going to assume, if we haven't heard from literally all of our
customers by now, we will with respect to what they would like to do. And these discussions are constructive, and
we do everything in our power to defer when we can, swap when we can, et cetera. And remember, a lot of our
customers – all of them are invested, but with respect to PDPs that of course we have retained.
So each of these discussions, believe it or not, has been quite constructive and productive, and everything we
know about their initial requests are reflected in our new production rates. And it's not to suggest that there isn't
risk remaining on the demand side, but we're not looking through rose-colored glasses. We're actually doing quite
the opposite, which is to meet as many of these requests as we can, negotiate outcomes where we can, and we
have a whole bunch of them, and then reflect that accurately in the production rates and the forward view. And
that is exactly where we sit.
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So anyway, it's surprising, but the one thing that's probably surprised me a bit is the extent to which this will
accelerate fleet rationalization in the customer base. You know the scenario. We went from a robust growth
environment where, even if they had plans to retire a portion of their fleet, they couldn't do it simply because
the market was as robust as it was, and they've now gone to the polar opposite. And so this is that moment
where rationalization efforts get big, and believe it or not, in some cases it even requires that maybe new
airplanes be ordered simply to rationalize the fleet that they're trying to put out of business. So this is a very
interesting set of dynamics. The fleet planning efforts are in full swing for everybody. And again, I think we've
reflected everything we know.
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Noah Poponak
Analyst, Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC Q
Dave, when I went to look up how much of the market is sale-leaseback, I was surprised to remind myself how
large that is. A lot of the large publicly traded leasing companies have raised capital recently. You have state-
owned customers, and you just have customers that had a good financial position coming into this. Is it
reasonable to assume that that set of customers that I just described can, as challenging as things are, hold you
together through 2020 until things are normalized and you're growing again in 2021?
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
In my experience, and I lived through it in my life at GECAS back in the post-9/11 world, it turns out that that is
exactly what holds up, and we believe that in fact it will hold up again. And a lot of the discussions we've had have
been with financial markets and lessors, as you would imagine. So I think your assumption is correct, and part of
our assumptions in this process reflect the discussions we've had with financial sources. So I guess yes is the
answer. I can't put an absolute number on it for you, but it's clearly reflected in our numbers.
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Noah Poponak
Analyst, Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC Q
Thanks very much.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Yes.
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Operator: Our next question is from Doug Harned with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
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Douglas S. Harned
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC Q
Great, thank you. On liquidity, this morning Airbus management described a lot of the same liquidity issues that
you're describing today, with the focus on the supply chain's health. And it appears that the biggest cash risk that
you're facing is also with the supply chain. You had the discussion around the $60 billion before. But when you
look at the responsibility for the cash needs of suppliers, it crosses Boeing, it crosses Airbus with a lot of overlaps.
You've got support potentially from governments and then the suppliers themselves. So it looks like there's a wide
range of potential scenarios here for what the cash outcome could be for Boeing related to the supply chain. Can
you talk about how you work with the different constituencies to try and address this, and can you give us a sense
as to what the range of outcomes could be here as you look over the next year?
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Let me take a crack at this first. The right order of business is the one that is going on right before our eyes, and
the first is to get the airlines from the pre-COVID moment into the post-COVID moment, and for them to be warm
when they get there so that they can begin that recovery process. That in and of itself puts some stability out
there in the marketplace. And it allows us, Boeing, to now reflect medium-term demand and long-term demand
and make the adjustments in accordance with that. We believe we have a balance sheet and we believe we have
tools available to us and credit markets that are open enough to us to be able to get from here to there and get
there with room to spare. And as we do that, our good credit then extends into the supply chain, and the supply
chain then has to make a whole bunch of adjustments on their own to reflect the new production requirements at
both Airbus and Boeing.
So again, the airlines bridging that moment, Boeing, Airbus have access to credit and their ability to finance from
here to that medium-term moment, and then the supply chain's ability to now restructure themselves to meet that
new demand, but always relying on our credit and always relying on our factories being open, that's a real
advantage. And then the tools that the CARES Act has put in place – and we do work closely with the
administration on trying to get them to understand where the soft spots might be in that overall supply chain and
direct those tools to that supply chain. And that's the process that's unfolding before our eyes.
Believe it or not, I think it's robust, and it's working. And so I'm not anticipating at least at this moment in time any
big or serious repercussions from supply chain issues. In some ways, just in the last two or three weeks, as
governments have stepped up with their tools, et cetera, there's been a little more stability than there was just
prior.
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Douglas S. Harned
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC Q
So is it fair to say as you and Greg look at the range of possible outcomes here with respect to the suppliers,
when you're talking about feeling fairly confident in this now, you're able to say you can take off, say, some worst
case scenarios that perhaps were there back when you mentioned that $60 billion, so that even under the current
worst case here, you're fairly confident you're in solid shape for this year?
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
We are. And I know you would imagine, but we have a lot of folks who help us with this, and we have stress
tested the case that we're putting forward in many, many ways that are much more difficult than what we believe
we're going to do, and we do get through it. And ultimately, when we do take on more debt, we also believe
strongly that we're going to start paying it down. Now at what rate we pay it down is the real question. But when
we get to some form of stability at these production rates, and I believe we will, we'll be in good shape to begin
that process of returning money to our lenders.
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Douglas S. Harned
Analyst, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC Q
Okay, great. Thank you.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Yes.
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Operator: Our next question is from Ron Epstein with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
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Ronald J. Epstein
Analyst, BofA Securities, Inc. Q
Good morning, guys.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning, Ron.
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Ronald J. Epstein
Analyst, BofA Securities, Inc. Q
Maybe changing the focus a little bit to product strategy, with the Embraer deal not playing out and then NMA
being off the table, how do you think about competing against Airbus, who has a product at the lower end of the
market and a product at the higher end of the narrow-body market, where it seems like the MAX is – it's fine, but
how can I say it, it's sandwiched between aircraft that are optimized on both ends of the market by your
competitor, so particularly in an environment where you're constrained on your R&D spend and your development
spend?
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
With respect to the MAX, I have a lot more confidence in the MAX and its place in the market than maybe the
question implies. We have a value prop that actually is still pretty good. In some ways, if airplane loads want to
get smaller as a result of maybe a smaller set of passengers flying on them in the next several years, it might
actually play to us. We have a robust backlog with it, and we're not out of the product development business.
We're definitely in it. We are invested in capabilities with respect to manufacturing and engineering that we
believe will offer a very differentiated product in whatever strategy we choose. And we're fast at work at that stuff,
and we continue to be at work on it.
It will probably not be applied to an NMA, and I think we've conveyed that to the marketplace. But this time
actually in some of these market changes and then those important technologies we're investing. And I actually
have a lot of faith both in the product that we currently serve it with, and then secondly the capabilities we'll bring
to whatever we eventually develop as next-gen. And in the meantime, on the wide-body world and particularly in
the freighter world, we like our strategies. We're going to continue to invest in it, and I believe at the moment that's
probably our biggest priority.
And then at the low end, Embraer is not going away. They're going to fight tooth and nail to win at that low end of
the marketplace, and they'll battle Airbus, the former Bombardier, in doing so. And I don't think that's going to
move the market in any significant way and/or affect the future of Boeing in any significant way. So anyway, that's
probably it in a nutshell.
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Ronald J. Epstein
Analyst, BofA Securities, Inc. Q
All right, thank you.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Yes.
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Operator: Our next question is from Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
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Sheila Kahyaoglu
Analyst, Jefferies LLC Q
Hi. Good morning, Dave and Greg. Thank you for the time.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning, Sheila.
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Sheila Kahyaoglu
Analyst, Jefferies LLC Q
Dave, you mentioned on wide-bodies – I'm just following up on this. You seem pretty comfortable that the bottom
of demand is in. Given this is largely a replacement market and granted not uniform, what type of retirement rates
are you thinking for the industry?
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
I don't have a retirement number on the tip of my tongue. Suffice to say, retirements are going to accelerate, in my
view, considerably, and airplanes are going to get put down permanently at a faster rate. That's the most
important part of this, that they get put down permanently, not that they just get parked. And so I do think that
actually is going to play to our favor.
I love where our product line is. I think it's fundamentally advantaged. Unfortunately, just this international route
structure I just think is going to take longer to recover. And as a result, we'll suffer with respect to ramp. But I do
feel very good about it, and I do think retirements are going to fuel a fair amount of our demand.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
And just to add to it, Sheila, as you know very well, when you look at the number of airplanes that are 20-plus
years old, and it's a significant amount. And then to Dave's point, at least what we've been picking up on the
customer side, they will be put down and they won't be coming back up. And when you look at what we have in
the pipeline or in the backlog to some of those customers from an efficiency point of view, obviously there are
significant improvements, and it crosses the entire product line. So we'll see how it goes.
But I think across the globe, we're hearing a lot more commitment to retiring that aged fleet, and to Dave's point,
retiring it for good and not bringing it back. And we'll continue to monitor that obviously, and we'll take that into
account as we think about our production schedules going forward.
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Sheila Kahyaoglu
Analyst, Jefferies LLC Q
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Greg, just on that point, should we think about production in line with deliveries? So the production equates to
deliveries for wide-bodies in 2020 and 2021 and beyond?
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
I think the only one that may be a little off is the transition from the 777 to 777X through that period as we're
building the balance of the flight test airplanes. But outside of that, pretty good correlation production rate to
delivery rate, of course, MAX being unique, as we talked earlier.
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Sheila Kahyaoglu
Analyst, Jefferies LLC Q
Sure.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Thank you.
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Operator: Our next question is from Jon Raviv with Citi. Please go ahead.
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Jonathan Raviv
Analyst, Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Q
Hi, good morning. I was going to ask a question about the 45% of the business that is Defense right now. I think
on the last call, you mentioned that Defense cash flow might be a little bit down year on year just due to the timing
mostly. But how do you see that playing out going forward? And I ask that in the context also of a lot of the gross
items in your Defense portfolio being related to very new programs. You've taken on some risk on the front end in
terms of investments. How do you see those dynamics playing out over the next few years as a way to plug some
of the hole being created by aero clearly being down here?
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
Greg, do you want to take that one, or do you want me to?
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Sorry, I missed part of it. I apologize. It cut out on me.
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David L. Calhoun
President, Chief Executive Officer & Director, The Boeing Co. A
He said with respect to our Defense business, and I'll start with it. You are in fact correct. 2019, where we did
have some balance, the Defense business was 45%. This year, of course, the Defense business will probably be
bigger than the Commercial business, and that will probably hold for a little while, of course, with these new rates
and deliveries. So that's an important part of our company that I'm not sure a lot of people reflect.
The risk elements associated with our Defense portfolio now – I'm going to knock on wood while I say it, but I
believe we've derisked much of our portfolio, largely as a result of the significant issues we've had on tanker and
of course the continuous write-offs that we've had to experience. I do believe that that program now is exactly
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where it needs to be. We're going to finish well. Importantly, our customer is going to feel like we have finished
well and we have delivered a product that is second to none. So I do believe that even the tanker future is
significantly brighter than the one we've experienced up until now.
And then our fighter aircraft, we will continue to supplement or attempt to supplement our order stream and
production build, and largely with the help of a Defense Department whose posture is to want to do those kinds of
things, particularly in this moment in time. So again, I feel good about that.
On the development front, our development programs at the early stages are all looking quite good. We're really
not off-plan on anything, and usually by now we have a sniff that we might be. So again, I feel pretty good about
the risk profile of our Defense business despite the difficulties that we've attempted to overcome in just the last
couple of years. Greg, I'm not sure if you want to add anything to that.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
I agree with everything you said, Dave. And obviously, when you look at the portfolio mix, Jon, that MAX ramp-up,
that's where it will start to differentiate and go back to a richer mix on the Commercial side. But outside of that, I
think it's pretty much the way Dave outlined it.
On the development program, as Dave said, we've tried to derisk a lot of these up front, especially some of those
wins that we had most recently. And outside of that, the portfolio is actually performing well, as is the BGS
Government Services side of the business. So we've got to keep that engine running smoothly as well.
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Jonathan Raviv
Analyst, Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Q
Thanks, I'll keep it to one.
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Maurita B. Sutedja
Vice President-Investor Relations, The Boeing Co. A
Operator, we have time for one more question.
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Operator: And that will be from Myles Walton with UBS. Please go ahead.
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Myles Walton
Analyst, UBS Securities LLC Q
Thanks, good morning. Thanks for taking the question.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Good morning.
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Myles Walton
Analyst, UBS Securities LLC Q
Greg, in a prior question, I think you talked about 2022 free cash flow as being the pointing north for us to look at.
I'm just curious. In 2021, is there any reason we shouldn't expect that to be a sizable positive cash flow year given
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the liquidation you're talking about in the MAX, or are the advances headwinds enough for 2021 to also be
negative?
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Definitely 2021 is, at least as we have it forecasted today, much better than 2020. A lot of key elements in that is
certainly the MAX again, the profile of the MAX deliveries coming off the ramp and the production. There is more
impact on the progress payment side. But again, as I talked about operationally on the 787, we're still seeing good
cash conversion on the program. And then like I said, 777X has improved from a cash burn in 2021 as well. So
lots of moving pieces, as there always is, but the single biggest driver in there is MAX, the rate ramp on MAX, and
that's what will contribute to a much more improved 2021 versus 2020.
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Myles Walton
Analyst, UBS Securities LLC Q
Sorry, Greg. Just to underline that, though improved, is it positive? Do you kind of feel comfortable enough to say
that?
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
Our current forecast based on all the rate discussions we just had today is a positive 2021 cash flow.
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Myles Walton
Analyst, UBS Securities LLC Q
Okay, thank you.
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Gregory D. Smith
Executive Vice President, Enterprise Operations and Chief Financial Officer, The Boeing Co. A
You're welcome.
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Maurita B. Sutedja
Vice President-Investor Relations, The Boeing Co.
Great. So that completes The Boeing Company's first quarter 2020 earnings conference call. Thank you all for
joining.
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Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your
participation. You may now disconnect.
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