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Please don't take HN threads on unrelated flamewar tangents. It's one thing to go off topic in a curious or surprising way, but this one could only lead to sludge.


Why should Linus comment on such nuttery?


Because sad as it is, too many people are listening to it this time. Check /r/linux.

The gamer gate lot are pushing it everywhere as though ESR is gospel.


Can we stop this nonsense please. There are factual, legitimate issues here.


What nonsense are you referring too?

>There are factual, legitimate issues here.

So you believe ESR here? You do know who you are listening to right?


I don't really have a side in this whole business, but you seem to have brought this topic up entirely to slander someone, and I for one don't particularly appreciate the hijack.

I do understand this topic leads to emotional reactions from many people, and I get that it feels overwhelmingly necessary to express those feelings, but please reconsider using HN for this particular purpose in the future. If nothing else, realize that this ends up undercutting your own position by association to community harm.


> What nonsense are you referring too?

The nonsense of dragging in gamer gate everywhere and using it as a strawman to kill discussion on legitimate issues.


No, and I have suspicions his opinions on the danger of women in tech might differ from ESR's. http://opensource.com/life/15/8/patricia-torvalds-interview


One would hope so!


Because I'm curious: What honeypots?


http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907

Supposedly people trying to discredit open-source leaders by making false claims of sexual assault.


And the article linked with evidence uses the term SJW.

That doesn't show them as having any bias in the manner, eh?

Like maybe making this all to try and discredit the women in tech movement? Now they can point and say "Look at those sluts trying to honeypot us!!!"

I mean, if we're going to put on our tin foil hats, we might as well go all the way and look at the other side too.


>linked with evidence

The evidence boils down to a unnamed source that ESR trusts... unsourced hearsay. Pretty thin indeed!

I think commenter Anonymous4982 says it the best: "My advice: stick to writing about tech, ’cause you make yourself look like a fool when you write about politics." There might be more along those lines but it is pretty painful reading the comments on that post.


He's not exactly Donald Knuth when he writes about technology, either.


And the article linked with evidence uses the term SJW.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/202080/origin-of...

Might want to cut on the Flavor-Aid.


the origins of a derogatory term often have nothing to do with the (intended) offensiveness of their usage.

Nigger just originates from the french term for "black", how offensive could it possibly be!

In current Internet usage i have never seen SJW used once in anything except a derisive way.

you might want to cut on the pedant-aide


In current Internet usage I have never seen "Tea partier" used once in anything except a derisive way, outside of Tea Partiers calling themselves members of the Tea Party. Much how SJW call themselves SJW's. Unironically.

>In current Internet usage i have never seen SJW used once in anything except a derisive way.

The reason you see "SJW" used in such derisive ways is because many people hate SJW's. Just like many people hate Tea Partiers. The meaning hasn't been changed but the connotations have been co-opted to mean something else.

When I call someone a Tea Partier or Tea Party Member it's never a compliment but that doesn't mean I should call them something else if they identify as and call themselves a Tea Partier. Unless you have a suggestion on how to refer to the Tea Party without the words "Tea Party"?

I can either use their term `SJW` or I can use another accurate term `totalitarian cultural Marxists`.


I don't recall black people referring to themselves as "niggers" when the term was conceived. In contrast, SJW was coined by the people describing themselves unironically.


> Nigger just originates from the french term for "black"

It originates from a latin root, most likely by way of Portuguese or Spanish.

> how offensive could it possibly be!

As offensive as we agree to consider it. There's nothing intrinsically offensive about words, the public view about what's offensive and what's not is rather arbitrary. That's why a certain culture considers "nigger" offensive if used by pink skinned people, while "black" is perfectly neutral.


Thanks for the etymology.

Flavor-aid next please?



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That really don't answer the question does it?

ESR made some claim regarding honeypots apparently, what I wanted to know is which honeypots he's talking about.


ESR is (in my opinion) insanely claiming that there is a conspiracy amongst women in OS to catch popular male developers in honeypots. He also claimed Linus was aware of the attempts and taking defensive measures. I kinda regret giving it attention but at the same time I wanted Linus to say it was insane to shut up all the really horrible people rallying behind ESR on it making it even more difficult for women in OS.


> making it even more difficult for women in OS.

A good start here might be to admit that some people who claim to support women in tech are actually making it harder for women in tech.


Why is that a good start when there are so many who are straight up open about making it harder?


Hey guess what, that's the wrong definition!

Nice attempt to be a smartass though.




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