Agreed on popularity of language/framework not being an indicator of success (wrt to software evolution), quite the opposite seems to happen in the mainstream.
Worth noting that finance industry heavyweights such as JP Morgan and Standard Chartered (largest Haskell shop in the world) are laying off more than they're hiring these days[0][1], though unlikely this trend would directly affect tech hires (current batch of layoffs seem to be a trimming of management tier).
On a somewhat related note: were Standard Chartered to open source their fork of GHC many Haskellers not sold on lazy-by-default would rejoice; from Scala side of the fence my interest in Haskell would increase 10X were that to happen, line numbered stack traces alone, who woulda "thunk" it ;-)
Moving forward Haskell's probably going to continue to be pilfered of its theoretical gems by other languages that leap frog it in terms of adoption. Not a bad thing if we take SPJ's "avoid success at all costs" at face value.
Sure, we can have a perfectly reasonable debate as to whether or not lazy-by-default is the best choice for a language. I personally like the laziness, but if Scala, or Closure, or ML, or Elm, or maybe by some act of god COBOL "wins" by taking the good parts, that's fine.
But here, we have an article trying to make some concept approachable - some math, not tied to a specific language. Maybe it's hard for most to follow, since it assumes the readers knows what a monad is. That's fair, but it'd be the same if it were Scala.
The top comment here - and a significant number of the upvoted comments here, and on every similar article - are just baseless attacks against the idea that people should learn this. Not questions or technical discussion, just attempts to ostracize the part of the community that finds it valuable. It's anti-intellectualism, plain and simple. Maybe it's the terminology, or the syntax, or because articles didn't show the lock before giving the key, but it is what it is.
- Re: Hiring - JP Morgan may be doing layoffs somewhere, but I mentioned them because they made a "Hiring Haskell Devs" post within the last week.
Edit: Seriously, go re-read that top comment, from the condescending reference down to the assertion that it's all mental masturbation. In response to a post by a knowledgeable person trying to teach something useful to people who are interested. That's the top comment. Embarrassing.
> Worth noting that finance industry heavyweights such as JP Morgan and Standard Chartered (largest Haskell shop in the world) are laying off more than they're hiring these days[0][1], though unlikely this trend would directly affect tech hires (current batch of layoffs seem to be a trimming of management tier).
Worth noting that finance industry heavyweights such as JP Morgan and Standard Chartered (largest Haskell shop in the world) are laying off more than they're hiring these days[0][1], though unlikely this trend would directly affect tech hires (current batch of layoffs seem to be a trimming of management tier).
On a somewhat related note: were Standard Chartered to open source their fork of GHC many Haskellers not sold on lazy-by-default would rejoice; from Scala side of the fence my interest in Haskell would increase 10X were that to happen, line numbered stack traces alone, who woulda "thunk" it ;-)
Moving forward Haskell's probably going to continue to be pilfered of its theoretical gems by other languages that leap frog it in terms of adoption. Not a bad thing if we take SPJ's "avoid success at all costs" at face value.
[0] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-28/jpmorgan-s...
[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-20/standard-c...