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Interesting. I didn't see that - I assumed it was just a result of advertising it to everyone who searched on Google.

Do you have any specific examples?




Adobe Flash - When you download and installed Flash for Opera or Firefox, it would trick you into installing Chrome as your default browser unless you noticed and unchecked a box: http://i.imgur.com/Uldw6X3.png

Java - When updating, Java on Windows would often trick you into installing Chrome as your default browser unless you noticed and unchecked a box

Avast, AntiVir, etc - Nearly every free antivirus on Windows was paid by Google to install Chrome. The free antivirus would notify you there was a new version and if you clicked the UPDATE or CONTINUE button without noticing and unchecking the box, you'd wind up with Chrome installed and set as your default browser: http://i.imgur.com/hNZLbmL.jpg

The majority of the non-techies I know and had set up with Firefox have no idea how Chrome got on their machines and became their default browser. I'd wager a lot of Chrome's desktop userbase on Windows is due to shady bundleware arrangements.

Chrome was still engaged in the above behavior the last time I checked.


Last time I checked was last week, and still at it.

Oh, and the text for disabling the Google Chrome install-and-make-default was tiny... on a low-DPI screen.


This seems like a big argument for centralized repos like Ubuntu's/Debian's Apt-get or the Apple app store.

I was never aware this was even a problem because all my software came in through one or two trusted sources.


Which is why I install Unchecky on friends' and relatives' machines. It automatically unchecks all those default boxes and avoids not just Chrome but whole heaps of crapware...

https://unchecky.com/


That's so funny. If you install Chrome, why would you want a (separate) Flash?

Especially considering Chrome is currently on track to kill Flash by a click-to-start policy for the majority users. Much irony.


Chrome tries to be snuck in via bundleware when users of other browsers like Firefox and Opera go to install or manually upgrade flash.


Growth hacking at large.

Impressive :)


No, it's not impressive. It's deceptive and a dark pattern.


Google is certainly not blameless here. If they had banned partners who's installers violated a reasonable set of terms, e.g. opt in instead of opt out, this would not be an issue. They would have gotten free installs until the bad installer was fixed and verified ;)


Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think this is good.

I'm a developer and growth hacking is a mystery to me, I'm always impressed to see which "moves" are able to increase the user-base.


Google's not at fault; Adobe, Oracle, and every other greedy software vendor are.


Google is knowingly paying for it.


So does Intel and many other "trusted" vendors, we all know about the power of default values.

As I said, people shouldn't be upset at Google, installing Chrome was a significant improvement, or would you rather see IE8 still as the dominant browser?

I blame Adobe, Oracle, etc. because they have the trust of the users and a piece of software considered essential by many people, yet they decide to use the shady practices that cheapskates use.

If it weren't Chrome it would be the dreaded Ask Toolbar or something even worse, so it's not the fault of Google, quite the contrary, installing Chrome as a byproduct is possibly the least negative outcome.


Of course you should be blaming Google. They are a willing participant in deceptive bundleware. And it is specifically included in the download for Adobe Flash for Firefox/Opera Classic (aka, not IE's Flash which is different), so it is setup to steal users away from competitors. At least the last time I checked, and as demonstrated in my screenshot above.


You talk as if you knew the terms of their deal and corroborated that Google asked to target every browser, in my experience these kind of deals are offered as "all-or-nothing", so having Firefox or Opera targeted were a side effect.

EDIT: I checked it right now, and it also targets IE, unlike what you suggest: http://i.imgur.com/XuwHs7G.png


IE (and Edge) has some custom build of Flash installed without needing separate download, which I believe is why the parent commenter excluded it.


My ability to avoid these Google/Oracle/Microsoft mind-fucks diminishes each year. Is it good for society to have our cynicism cranked up so high?

That's a question for our best second tier psychologists and UX researchers (the first tier being too busy developing the aforesaid mind-fucks).


> installing Chrome was a significant improvement

Is it? Across the board they are entitled to make that decision for every user?

it is absolutely as bad as any of the crapware vendors who do this. Google is just as bad as the ask toolbar people.


> Is it?

If you suggest the opposite, you don't do web development or live in the early 2000's.

> Across the board they are entitled to make that decision for every user?

Saying "every" is an exaggeration, since several users would opt-out. Installing a better (yes, better) browser to technically-impaired people who don't even know what a browser is looks like a good trade off to me.

> it is absolutely as bad as any of the crapware vendors who do this. Google is just as bad as the ask toolbar people.

Ask is a dying company doing questionable last ditch efforts. Google is a healthy company deliberately tweaking tech-impaired user's defaults, there is a difference whether you like it or not.


CCleaner: https://i.imgur.com/LNFjqzd.png

The checkbox is pre-selected.


The irony in CCleaner, a tool to help you get crap off your computer, doing auto-install offers..

For those looking for an alternative, try Bleachbit [1] (works great on Linux/Windows, open-source).

[1]: https://www.bleachbit.org/


Adobe is guilty of this. If you download Flash Player from their site, the "Optional offers" are to also install Chrome and Google Toolbar. Both of which are checked by default.


you're thinking google did not pay adobe for this, adobe is doing this just cuz they like it? are you mad


Parent isn't saying Google didn't pay (I'm sure they paid per install) -- just that Adobe is guilty of allowing these sleazy auto-install offers which Google took advantage of.


Adobe can do as they please. This is corporate America....of course there is money involved :)


ccleaner and possibly the other piriform products do this


Correct: all Piriform products do this... unless chrome is already installed/detected.




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