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Europa's Ocean May Have an Earthlike Chemical Balance (nasa.gov)
47 points by wrongc0ntinent on May 17, 2016 | hide | past | favorite | 13 comments



That our current ocean chemistry is shaped by life and Europa's chemistry is similar could be a datum for a Europaean biology.

Urey & Miller terrestrial biogenesis happened during the Hadean / Archean transition and their pre-biotic soup had a different chemistry than today.

James Lovelock developed the homeostatic biosphere theory that life shapes its enviroment at JPL, when hunting for Martian Methane.

From Lovelock and Margulis's Giai paper: "3.2 x 10^9 years, that life has been present on Earth, the physical and chemical conditions of most of the planetary surface have never varied from those most favourable for life" [1]

[1] http://www.jameslovelock.org/page34.html


How confident are scientists that life on Earth began in the conditions of present-day Earth?

I don't think they were trying to assert this necessarily (that the current conditions of Europa were necessary and sufficient for life to exist there), but I just wonder this every time I read about space exploration and the fact that scientists are seeking planets that have an earth-like atmosphere.

Personally I'd want to know (a) what conditions caused life to begin on earth, then and only then (b) which planets have, presently or in the past, similar conditions.

All the talk about looking for earth-like planets to find extraterrestrial life could be a big waste of time if we eventually learn that present-day conditions on Earth are not conducive to creating the fundamental building blocks for life, no matter how good it has been at sustaining it.

UPDATE: Sorry, just noticed I mention atmosphere in my comment. That's a mistake. I was thinking 'earth-like conditions' (which is more or less what's mentioned in the article), but I typed atmosphere.


They've thought about it. Such questions are kind of funny, because they take for granted that the scientists' standards are akin to the pop science stuff that everybody else writes. They aren't, and that is what makes good straw man arguments.

I submitted yesterday -with little success- a nice talk of Jonathan Lunine (Cornell) at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mb59aQblY . This, albeit introductory, is what scientist do.

If you find a planet with an atmosphere rich in free oxygen, you can bet it's life that has put it there, because we have a pretty good idea about the abundance of the elements and other scenarios are unlikely. At the beginning of the Archean, there was no O2 in our atmosphere. All there is now comes from water, CO2 and photosynthesis. As scientists are usually serious about their jobs, abiogenesis models take into account the more likely primeval atmosphere and conditions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

What is exciting about the search of life in Europa, Enceladus, maybe Ganymede and who knows Triton (apparently there's no will to go there ever again), is that we have very good reasons to assume that at some depth under the ice crust there are hydrothermal vents like those on Earth. And maybe chemosynthesis is enough to get things started.

Personally I find that there are more reasons to be excited about Enceladus than about... let's say Mars.


>How confident are scientists that life on Earth began in the conditions of present-day Earth?

My understanding is that life did not begin in conditions anything like present day Earth. In particular the oxygen you are currently consuming was produced by living things (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria). Prior to there being oxygen producing organisms there was very little oxygen available in the atmosphere.

So, perhaps they are looking for an earth-like atmosphere on the assumption that a similarly oxygen rich atmosphere would mean that there are oxygen producing organisms present.


We know that current conditions support life. We don't know which of Earth's past conditions necessarily lead to the creation of life.

Gotta play the odds.


>All the talk about looking for earth-like planets to find extraterrestrial life could be a big waste of time if we eventually learn that present-day conditions on Earth are not conducive to creating the fundamental building blocks for life

The only way we can do this is by exploring other worlds. We can only infer what happened in our past, but if we see life elsewhere we can assume some general set of conditions that caused it. If we look and don't find it, then we must assume life on earth is a fluke.


Wow europa has an atmosphere?

It has less gravity than earth's moon.

(I love how google can now tell me gravity of planets and moons)


Not an atmosphere like we know it, more like a wispy and weakly-bound envelope of outgassed material (probably mostly water vapor). If Earth's moon had volatile components on its surface it would have this kind of envelope, too. The term atmosphere may be misleading in this context, because this is not a stable pressurized reservoir of gas, it needs to be replenished constantly.


If Europa is constantly leaking gas, how long before it runs out of fuel, so to speak?


I don't know what the rate of mass loss is (I doubt anyone knows), but most objects in the solar systems are not static: they gas out but they also accumulate dust particles. Most of the gas giant moons have been emitting gas and particles into space since they formed, with most of that matter eventually falling onto the gas giant itself.

My guess is the loss of volatiles is so slow that it would take many billions of years until the composition of the moon changes in an appreciable way.


Holy cow! So the dust in my living room may come from space. Wow, you have changed my sweeping experience forever!!!


This is fascinating. I hope as we discover more about Europa, and with SpaceX as a potential launch partner, perhaps the proposed lander will get an accelerated schedule.


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For those unaware, this is a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010:_Odyssey_Two




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