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But they were in the police force, after things really started to break between Erdogan and Gulen (December 2013) Erdogan made many interventions to clean police force.



> Erdogan made many interventions to clean police force.

Ok, so then the people Erdogan moved into the military between 2010 and 2013 they were these remaining Gulen supporters in government that are intent on destroying the republic? Or he decided not to out existing Gulen supporters he helped sneak in to the military before 2010 to either his new or its past republican leadership, (which would happily contain or remove such elements.)

None of this makes any sense unless he is admitting that he was an element of a religious group's conspiracy to corrupt the republic until 2013 and now also thinks his own continuation of power is more important than whatever religious beliefs he feels trump the republic. (A republic can't matter to a conspirator against it, right?)

That sounds like it would be slight if someone other than Erdogan said it about him and a terrible official position for a president of a republic. So what is his official position on the past that makes sense with all of this data about a Gulen lead conspiracy to destroy the Turkish Republic that began "decades before" their 2013 split?


Actually yes he is ironically admitting. (Turkish) http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/cumhurbaskani-erdogandan-onemli-a...

"Rabbimden af milletimden özür diliyorum dedim. Çünkü burada hata yapmışız."

"I said that I apologize to my nation, ask for forgiveness from my god. Because we made a mistake here."

Gulen's organisation is older, they started to recruit people to state positions starting from 1970's. Erdogan and Gulen supported each other after 2002 election. Both benefited from this partnership at that time. Especially after Ergenekon trials, the army lost the ability to clean Gulen supporters. The organisation spread like a virus, capturing key positions faster.

As the remaining uneaten pie got smaller, they realized the country is not big enough for two of them(2011-2013). I think that too much centralized power is a bad thing. Something like checks and balances is needed in Turkey. However at this point it is better for a selected goverment to be in power than a secretive ponzi-scheme-like organisation(lesser evil mindset). Ironically Erdogan says now: "we were deceived". Other political parties say: "what if you get deceived again?".

If you are interested there are more info on the background of events in some wiki pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sledgehammer_(coup_plan)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_trials

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_corruption_scandal_in_Tur...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imam%27s_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_government_%E2%80%93_G...




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