People are weirdly positive about immigration. Are you sure you want tenaceous immigrants if they are criminals and/or seek to change the culture that you and yours live by?
I suppose we should differentiaye between illegal and legal immigrants. I'd venture to guess that, on average self selection for intelligence manifests in the form of legal immigration, while the so called "tenaceous" immigrants tend to ignore legal borders.
Before anyone accuses me of white supremacy or privilege or such nonsense, my parents were first generation legal immigrants.
> Before anyone accuses me of white supremacy or privilege or such nonsense, my parents were first generation legal immigrants.
How is that inconsistent with White supremacy or privilege? Because of geographic distribution of races, immigration demand, and per-country allocation of visa quotas, white people often have an advantage in legal immigration and the legal immigration is structured around preference classes which are themselves institutionalized privilege and also correlate with various more general privileges of birth, inheritance, and circumstance.
I think his intention in stating that was only trying to focus on the objective, informational debate at hand, and not devolve into complaints about him being a 'white supremacist', which people often use in debate to prematurely dispel arguments without considering their logic or point of view.
Ironically enough, his attempt at focusing on the objective led to you solely responding with accusations about how 'being white etc etc etc'.
Take arguments at face value; they can only be fully dispelled after reasoned, objective consideration.
Also: I will say that your point is a really interesting one re: racial privilege, but it's not relevant to the validity of his immigration stance.
> Did you ever consider that it OK to select people in a way that manifests as privilege?
I never said it wasn't. I simply said that your parents being “first generation legal immigrants” does not serve as an effective preemptive rebuttal to accusations of white supremacy or privilege directed at you, because the legal immigration system selects for privilege and includes (and in some sense advantages) whites (and does not systematically exclude whites who might later have offspring who might become white supremacists.)
Whether it is good or bad that the system has selective features that create their own privilege classes and align with existing socio-economic privilege is a separate and unrelated question.
> And here you've made the assumption that I am white.
No, I have not. I've merely pointed out that the preemptive defense against claims of white supremacy and/or privilege that you have offered doesn't actually defend in any way against those claims. I've stated nothing that makes any presumption about your race, which I'm not even remotely interested in.
> Also, I love how you're lumping in privilege of white immigrants with that of "white privilege" in the U.S.. It is a remarkably miopic view, as whites are not a powerful minority everywhere.
That's true, there are many places (like the US) where they are the dominant and privileged majority rather than any kind of minority.
Though, as you note, it's your parents, not you, who are immigrants, so, insofar as the position of the White race would be relevant at all to your experience, it would be the position of the White race in the US, not in some hypothetical place where White privilege does not exist.
> I cannot believe someone is seriously arguing about white privilege
But you are the one who—preemptively, without provocation—raised the issue of white privilege. All I've done is pointed out that your preemptive defense completely fails to defend against the imagined future attack against which you deployed it.
> If people like you didnt make certain research topics forbidden
What people have made which research topic forbidden, and in what way are those people like me? You seem to be engaged in a feverish debate against positions you’ve only imagined exist.
> You dont even know my ethnicity
Nor do I care.
> you fucking racist.
What, precisely, have I said that is even remotely “racist”? All I've said is that your claim to have first-generation immigrant parents is not any kind of rebuttal to the accusations of white supremacy or privilege against whose imagined future occurence you offered it.
> And how deep do you want to go down this rabbit hole?
Not as deep as you've already gone on your own, thanks.
> Fuck you and your divisive politicking.
I'm not sure exactly how pointing out that your statement about your parentage was not even germane to the point you offered it for is “divisive politicking”, but, yeah, whatever.
If you're so blind that the literal term "white privilege" is not racist to you, then there is no use in talking.
You've judged an entire race, including myself, and accused us of having some kind of property. Worse still, you use it as justification for taking from those you've determined have this nebulous "privelege".
Its identical to the logic used by white supremacists against Jews, or groups like the panthers and blm. Racism is not ok just because you're a minority and you think some guy had it easier because he's white.
It is so absurd that I have to point this out. That casual anti white racism has become so acceptable.
Look at places like Zimbabwe if you want to see where this could go. We made some 60 years of progress in race relations, and now people like you go around dividing us and screaming about something ad nonsensical as white privilege.
Let me spell it out to you, because you are truly oblivious to your bias. You blanketly characterized a group of people based off their skin color. And let me remind you, you brought whiteness and white privilege into this as though it were relevant. Not me.
I'm not interested in addressing the rest of your comment until you recognize your egregious racism; otherwise your logic is simply inconsistent.
I suppose we should differentiaye between illegal and legal immigrants. I'd venture to guess that, on average self selection for intelligence manifests in the form of legal immigration, while the so called "tenaceous" immigrants tend to ignore legal borders.
Before anyone accuses me of white supremacy or privilege or such nonsense, my parents were first generation legal immigrants.