Yeah but the other half of my point was if you want something that "sounds good" you can spend 1/4 of the price of Beats for similar ability. Its a brand effect. I personally use a pair of 15 dollar JVC marshmallow earbuds that fit my ears perfect for about 50% of my listening (gym, walking in the city in the summer, etc), but if I'm spending 200 on closed or over the ear headphones you should expect a lot better response spectrum that what Beats provide. Maybe junky products was a bit harsh and I should have said expensive for the quality.