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One issue with this view is that such petitions tend to be spread with near perfect coverage. So only 2,000 people out of 98,000 signing does generally mean that the other 96,000 are more likely to be opposed/neutral to the 2000. And the current culture of Google such that openly expressing support for a panel that includes genuinely diverse ideological views is something that could have consequences.

As one interesting aside, this is the exact same reason that protests no longer have the effect or meaning that they used to. During things such as the social rights movement organizing and getting your message out was really hard. Imagine trying to organize people when your biggest form of advertising something would be either calling people on a phone manually entering those 7-10 digits each time, by doing things like stapling a sign to a utility poll. And on top of this travel was also quite expensive. What that means is that every protester would generally represent far more people than himself simply because those other people were either unaware or unable to attend.

But today you can reach nearly every single interested individual, and organize with extreme efficiency due to the internet. And a domestic plane flight or bus is incredibly cheap. Because of this a million people protesting today don't necessarily represent all that many people other than themselves. So it creates quite the spectacle but has lost the very meaning that protests used to bring.




This is a pretty weird take. The sort of petitions you're talking about are not widely spread with remotely perfect coverage at companies like Google or Microsoft, there's no allowed way to distribute these via company-wide email or something and people are distributed globally across campuses and timezones. Personally at both workplaces I have never seen any of these petitions or open letters that make the news cross my desk or even heard about them before reading about them in the press.

Maybe perfect coverage at smaller companies, but even then I kinda doubt it.


This is inaccurate in a very ironic way. Not only are individuals specifically guaranteed the right to organize and discuss conditions/etc of work via company email [1], but this is a right that Google has been actively lobbying to rescind following the recent walkout that was organized largely by company email. [2] This right was specifically clarified/ensured by the NLRB in 2014.

[1] - https://www.littler.com/nlrb-creates-right-use-corporate-e-m...

[2] - https://blogs.findlaw.com/technologist/2019/01/google-doesnt...


I'm not talking about rights, i'm talking about functionally not being able to do it. There's no way for them to send everyone a petition or poll or open letter. It's why I've never seen them. I would've had to be on those mailing lists.


Yes you are talking about rights. You just said said literally, "there's no allowed way [for employees to organize]". This is obviously wrong. So now you're backpedaling and changing your story to it's technically impossible for employees to widely organize. So just to clarify you're now stating both that you were working at Google during the time this event occurred and that there are absolutely no means of internal group communication, such as newsgroups, etc?




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