The claim isn't that bathrooms are in general safe spaces. That doesn't make sense. Bathrooms aren't magical.
The claim is that the risk of a trans woman being forced to use the mens restroom puts them at great risk in some places (and especially in the places that would enforce such a rule). The risk that cis women face from trans women using the bathroom is nil. And the risk that cis women face from cis men masquerading as trans women to get into a women's bathroom is not large (I'm aware of exactly one sort-of example, and it's not actually clear whether the person is a person masquerading as trans, or simply a predator who also happened to be trans).
As a result, excluding trans women from women's restrooms doesn't appear to make anyone safer.
Is there data to back these claims, either that Tran-Women are at great risk in men's rest rooms, or that cis women are in no risk in
Absent from this conversation it seems in Trans-men, are they not in any danger at all if so why?
I live in deep red area, a place where you would stereotype as "places that would enforce such a rule" my interactions in the Men's bath room are silence, awkward, and everyone wants to get out as fast as possible.
Men do not socialize in the bath room and I do not see where the danger comes into play, but I am open to being wrong
To be clear, I dont see any reason to have a law to enforce this issue, use what ever bathroom you want I dont care.
My lack of understanding is from the claim of danger on both sides. I do not see it...
> I live in deep red area, a place where you would stereotype as "places that would enforce such a rule" my interactions in the Men's bath room are silence, awkward, and everyone wants to get out as fast as possible.
Do you often interact with trans people in your area (no blame here, it's unlikely not because of you, but because many people are very private about this).
Now imagine that someone who you assumed was a
> Is there data to back these claims, either that Tran-Women are at great risk in men's rest rooms, or that cis women are in no risk in
I'm not saying great risk in the restroom specifically, but more broadly for being outed. Buck Angel using the woman's restroom would be a spectacle in the way that him using the men's restroom wouldn't be.
Trans people do face discrimination for being trans, so forcing that spectacle to happen puts them in danger in general.
As for the data on cis women: I leave that to you. Can you find a documented example of a trans woman, or a man masquerading as a trans woman, entering a woman's bathroom and doing something nefarious?
> Absent from this conversation it seems in Trans-men, are they not in any danger at all if so why?
Trans men do face violence, but there is less (or at least there is less popular) concern among cis-men about biological females being in men's restrooms.
The claim is that the risk of a trans woman being forced to use the mens restroom puts them at great risk in some places (and especially in the places that would enforce such a rule). The risk that cis women face from trans women using the bathroom is nil. And the risk that cis women face from cis men masquerading as trans women to get into a women's bathroom is not large (I'm aware of exactly one sort-of example, and it's not actually clear whether the person is a person masquerading as trans, or simply a predator who also happened to be trans).
As a result, excluding trans women from women's restrooms doesn't appear to make anyone safer.