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you're allowed whatever your preference. but let's not pretending: you're expressing preference for a system which happens to not inconvenience you but which constraints many folks's choices & desires. i for one think there would be zero real tradeoff permitting others a little of their own preference too.

the bigger view is that this is horrific. it's ghastly. it's a prison of thought/control imposed on most people.




I would have much stronger opinions about this if Android wasn't such a strong competitor. As it stands, it is very easy for people with those "choices and desires" to stick with Android and sideload to their heart's content.

The bigger issue with Apple is their 30% cut on nearly all transactions that happen on apps acquired through the App Store.


Is it really always 30%?


I said "nearly", because there are exceptions. I really don't think it's fair that Spotify or Disney+ has to sacrifice 30% of their subscription revenue coming from iOS users considering Apple shoulders almost none of the burdern of hosting that content.

I think a fair compromise might be 30% on the first month of a new subscription, followed by 2.5% on subsequent months. That way Apple gets their initial cut for providing the ecosystem and app store exposure, followed by a very small cut on top of the usual payment processing fees.


> it's a prison of thought/control imposed on most people

Having just moved from android to iphone, what a load of horse shit. I willingly choose to be in Apple's ecosystem. That control is not imposed, it is given (and can be taken away at any moment by me simply turning off my iphone and not using it again).

I have thoughts about the restricted nature of the hardware, but that's a different discussion to the openness of the software ecosystem.


> what a load of horse shit.

no, this is horseshit. don't call me horseshit.

> I willingly choose to be in Apple's ecosystem.

apple is the only "general purpose computing" system on the planet that allows apps but only their approved apps, approve connectivity. this this is, as you say, a load of horse shit. i reassert:

> it's a prison of thought/control imposed on most people

as I said I think freedom costs nothing. what you say offers no counter, no reposte, no reply to this.

you can defend the jailers but I'm not sure why you would? why benefit do you see in keeping such immense gates? why raise the drawbridge so high? why the desire to tell people to buzz off, get the frag out if they don't like it? i don't get any of this attitude, this corporate-punk anti-individual spirit. why must this be zero-sum, you and apple teaming up versus choice, freedom, & capability? you're not the only one- there's an active, hating, negative crowd, booing & downvoting capability & choice. in this one circumstance. it's a wild call, such a call to prevent. unfathomable to me.

everything about this yearn to control & reduce & assert authority feels like manufacturing consent. for control. for fascism. it's hard to figure out what genuine earnest positive intent it could have.


Won’t mention my employer but we track malicious activity across the app ecosystem. Android has a higher rate of fraud and malevolent actors - specific to ads and app inventory.


Just join the Android ecosystem then. Everyone has a choice. There is nothing ghastly.


i don't see why we would be so eager or ok with excluding any Apple interested folk in having a platform that works for them.

> Just join the Android ecosystem then

just stop being intollerant to other options. Apple: stop putting your way of the high way as the only acceptable choice on Apple.

this is a machiavellian demand, to constrain a general purpose computer's internet connectivity so.


Apple has already made it clear that there is only one user base they are interested in supporting. They've made a huge business out of supporting only the Apple way. It can certainly be frustrating in some cases, but that is the choice you make joining their ecosystem.


It’s a bit of a question what you mean then by “Apple interested folk.” By large, Apple customers value the company’s emphasis on privacy, data control, and quality control of their ecosystem. I suppose you might mean the physical quality of the hardware which is also quite nice, but I think to be an Apple “fan” means also being a fan of the software too. Not every last decision mind you, but the control of the App Store and the Apple platform is pretty central to the brand identity.




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