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> USA was inoculated for a very long time, because horizontal expansion over cheap land allowed for expansion of supply. That era is over.

True.

> Car and highway technology is no longer adequate to expand cheaply and still remain within viable commuting distance.

False. The US has mind-boggling amounts of land available. What's changed is the ability and desire to build on it. Used to be, the government would pay you (in land, anyway) to build a house. We gave railroads untold amounts of land to develop it.

These days, to build a house you pay the government for all manner of permits, studies, etc. -- and that's if they even let you build in the first place! Zoning laws prohibit new construction in overwhelming amounts of the country, especially in the most expensive areas. In NYC and SF, most existing buildings would be illegal to build under current zoning rules.

What makes building housing expensive is policy, not a lack of "cheap land".

I don't know if the same applies in Europe, perhaps not. In both Europe and the US land has long been the primary vehicle for intergenerational wealth transfer (think estates and productive land, not housing, though -- middle-class homeownership is an extremely recent phenomenon).




> What makes building housing expensive is policy, not a lack of "cheap land".

I am flummoxed every time the discussion of housing prices shows up. Seems like 95% of everyone who comments is completely clueless to the most basic aspects of it.

In the vast majority of Western regions, high home prices are caused by a deliberate decision not to allow building enough homes to match demand, in the places where people want to live. It's really that simple.

In itself, this is a state of affairs we could accept as the current democratic consensus, but it's really stupid when most discussion of the problem pretends that the root cause is something else.


I agree with current zoning and permitting is harmful. I can't wait for a better urban life here, with services and amenities in proximity, which more homes closer together would enable. I don't think it will meaningfully reduce cost of home ownership. Infill development is more expensive, and the dynamics at play (if I'm correct) are moving to a European model. Generally pointing in a direction of demand having really high ceilings(the estates of those dead boomers are really going to help with that, the biggest wealth transfer in history is only just starting), and supply will be incredibly responsive to changing conditions, since a home is a claim to a ___location, sellers will only sell when they can buy again into the existing market.

It's very possible I'm wrong. We'll see what the rate hikes will do to home prices in the next 2-4 years, and already we're seeing relaxing of zoning in many metros, so we'll see the effect of that in 5-10.


Fertility rates are dropping, and national population growth is slow across the West -- the problem is generally where the housing is rather than how much there is in aggregate. Old estates in the hinterlands are cheap, that's not where the wealth transfer is happening. Google will yield you some fantastic estates across the UK and Western Europe costing less than half of a modest 2br ranch-style home in Palo Alto.

> I don't think it will meaningfully reduce cost of home ownership.

More housing would absolutely meaningfully reduce the cost of home ownership. Just look at cities like Detroit and Pittsburgh that, for a time, had a surplus of housing and a declining population: houses became super super cheap.

What's happening now is that housing stock is increasing 0.5% per year, while city population is increasing 5% per year, and then policymakers are turning around and saying "look, we're building more housing, and prices keep rising, it's not working!" -- of course, because cities need to build enough housing to satisfy demand, not just "more housing". Each year we have a new housing deficit, the housing "debt" goes up. To reduce prices, you need to build more than the demand is, which we are so far from doing it is laughable.

> Infill development is more expensive

This, too, is per policy. The sweet spot price-wise for construction costs alone is 4-5 story apartment buildings; outside parts of SF, Manhattan, and a few other inner cities, we aren't there yet. But the cost of infill development these days also includes (1) drafting environmental impact reports; (2) multiple sets of meetings with neighbors to convince them not to oppose your plans; (3) delay and stalling tactics from well-heeled neighbors who oppose your plans anyway (see: CEQA); (4) extensive requirements on insulation, window area, solar panel inclusion, etc. that push costs upwards; and finally (5) years of paying property taxes while you attempt all of the above to get your plans approved. That's leaving out (6) extremely high labor costs for construction, because construction workers need housing too, and their rent is also super high.

We are not going to see meaningful change until we remove at least some of the constraints on housing construction and new supply can begin to exceed new demand. In California, lawmakers are starting to wake up to the problems, but solutions are slow to come.


> The US has mind-boggling amounts of land available. What's changed is the ability and desire to build on it.

Times have changed and most people don't want to live in marginal lands that are available in mind boggling quantities. In addition, the reason that a lot of cities were built a few generations ago in the hinterlands was because manpower was needed for resource extraction industries, which have since either become highly automated or fallen into secular decline. We are no longer a nation of farmers and miners.


> most people don't want to live in marginal lands that are available in mind boggling quantities

That's not "times have changed" -- people have never wanted to live on marginal lands, that's why the government paid people to move there.

> a lot of cities were built a few generations ago in the hinterlands

Few cities are built in the hinterlands for the purposes of resource extraction; cities grow where trade is, but yes there are definitely towns that have vanished because we don't as many farmers and miners.

The SF Bay Area is dominated by single family homes on large lots. Yes, SF proper has a high density, but the surrounding areas really don't, and not for lack of demand: developers who would build more housing are literally stymied at every turn, and this is not an accident, it is an intentional plan to reduce the availability of housing and keep it expensive, to avoid "traffic", "crowding", and "changing the character of the neighborhood".


I think we are in agreement. In particular about the effects of Bay Area suburban zoning.


> In NYC and SF, most existing buildings would be illegal to build under current zoning rules.

The NYC number is 40%, according to the NYT. But close enough and here are some nice maps breaking my down why those buildings couldn’t go up today.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/19/upshot/forty-...




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