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So due diligence showed how big a hole FTX is in. No surprise. As I said yesterday, about 50% of announce M&A deals fall through. This deal looked unlikely to succeed. If FTX was out of cash but had a lot of money tied up in things that are slow to sell, like factories or real estate, a merger would make sense. But this is crypto. No big tangible assets. If FTX is well into negative territory, there's no hope.

Next stop for FTX is bankruptcy.

Does FTX.us have any exposure to FTX.intl? They're not supposed to. But do they? The SEC and CFTC are now investigating to find out.[1] Bloomberg: "US financial regulators are investigating whether beleaguered crypto-exchange FTX.com properly handled customer funds, as well as its relationship with other parts of Sam Bankman-Fried’s crypto empire..." In other crypto collapses, we've seen "assets" that were actually loans to affiliated parties. Loans that became worthless.

At FTX's web site, "https://ftx.com/intl", there is no mention of any problems. Typical.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-09/us-probes...




How can DD find a hole within a day of announcing? It seems too fast. To me, I assume it's CZ getting FTX to explode and then be the firm everyone comes to without having to acquire them.

Edit: Fair enough, thanks for the input repliers! I thought DD was a much slower event to prepare this information and get legal stuff set up with NDAs etc..


"So, step one, let's see your top-level balance sheet, you know, assets and liabilities."

"Sure, we have a notional $1 billion in a combination of junk bonds that have already crashed to a market value of $25 million and other cryptocurrencies worth another nominally $15 million as long as we never try to actually sell them, and we have $1.4 billion in concrete dollar liabilities."

Numbers completely made up, just to be clear.

You can investigate that until you're blue in your face and apply all the nuance in the world to it, that's never going to make any sense.

Also, I'd say Binance is well aware of the message the speed is sending. I don't think that's a mistake. This sort of signalling in "the metadata" of a message happens all the time. You can decide whether or not you believe it.


A billion dollar assets/liabilities mismatch? I'd bet that's quite easy to find.

Honestly, with all the market info. that Binance has on their hands, I'm sure they already knew where to look at, LOL. They were just having fun with SBF.


Yes, I'm sure they're having fun seeing 30% of their Crypto assets disappear as confidence in the entire sector fades.


Maybe that was Option A, while Option B was "spend a couple billion dollars fixing the mess these kids made while still seeing 30% of our Crypto assets disappear ...". They chose A.

They're also now the only big player standing in the game, they're having fun already.


"How much do you have, and how much do you owe? Oh, really? Oooof. See ya."


We'll see, but I think you can ask for some topline numbers and evaluate if it's even worth digging deeper. I'm sure this is not about accounting for a million, or two, or even a hundred.


> How can DD find a hole within a day of announcing? It seems too fast.

CZ: “Can I see your balance sheet? Oh, it says here you have $10B in assets and $16B in liabilities. Welp, good luck finding a buyer, I withdraw my LOI to purchase FTX”


These guys are not actually rocket scientists, what they are doing is not complicated.

It would take minutes to hours to figure out the state of things at FTX.


>Does FTX.us have any exposure to FTX.intl?

I'd guess the geniuses at Alameda made sure to accomplish that already.


It's still shocking because aside from anything else, CZ must know that FTX dying is going to be massive blow to the whole industry. Like Lehman and Bear Stern's but with no Fed or Treasury bailout.


Is it going to be any more impactful than any of a dozen other big crypto deaths?


SBF getting blown up is going to be a bigger deal than any of those other ones.


Why? Isn't FTX like 6% of the trading volume? Who cares?


With BTC down 25% in the last 5 days (including a very sharp drop today as BN "balked", it's clear some people do.

A rising tide lifts all boats, but a very public sinking ship makes people reconsider boat ownership.


Justified or not, people treat him like the one legitimate and non-scammy crypto billionaire. This is going to have an outsize influence.


I mean, when MtGox blew up there was a multi year crypto winter.


If you’re stupid enough to put your money in a fantasy, yes, I guess.


Where is our due diligence on Binance? Pride goeth before destruction. I wonder if Binance has even worse financials than FTX.


It should be noted that Binance is planning on offering proof-of-reserves[1], which supposedly would be a signed Merkle tree of liquidity proofs.

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1: https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1590055819416330240?s=...


Practically every crypto organisation has been planning on offering some kind of proof of how good its reserves are, real soon now, right up until it went bankrupt.


They CLAIM that they are planning to do that.

But even if they do produce that, it can only show the asset side if the balance sheet.

Quite a lot of financial failures are a result of off-balance-sheet liabilities.


Sounds like word salad shit to me. Where are they based? Why should I trust them? It's the next scam.


Healthy companies don't go kaput overnight unless it's 1929 again.


With a special shout out to Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers.


Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers weren't healthy companies.

They were insolvent way before the crash.


Do you have a "healthy company" in mind?


Scams often do mind.

At least 80% of the (lets charitably call it a) market is now concentrated in one place.


Crypto companies tend to be very unhealthy.




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