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I like that we're arguing over the word "recall" being an issue when the system it applies to is called "full self driving". I think calling a level 2 driver assistance system "full self driving" is a much bigger inaccuracy.



Rebrand the "full self driving" marketing to "driver assist optimist".


To play devil's advocate, it's only a misleading label when the word "Beta" is omitted.


Not really. If someone says "Full self driving beta" I'm thinking "The goal is full self driving, the current approach should deliver full self driving, beta means that it requires some tweaks and testing".


Nobody outside of tech understands it this way. "Full Self-Driving Beta" is a marketing stunt that borders on fraud. These cars can't drive themselves for shit, they're not even in beta.


You own/owned a Tesla with FSD Beta, right? You have driven it extensively to see and understand its capabilities and how it's improved, right? I've driven FSD Beta now for more than a year. Based on my experience you have no clue about which are speaking.


You've misunderstood me. I agree with you.


Oh, ok, yes I did.


> I'm thinking "The goal is full self driving, the current approach should deliver full self driving, beta means that it requires some tweaks and testing".

And that "bugs" involve accidents.


Reminds me of an old joke about Ford vs Microsoft. We seem to have come full circle. Abridged version:

> At a computer expo, Bill Gates compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, 'If Ford had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon.'

> In response to Bill's comments, Ford issued a press release stating:

> “Sure, but would you want to drive a car that for no reason whatsoever would crash twice a day?”

https://www.chevyhhr.net/forums/lounge-10/microsoft-vs-ford-...


"Beta" just means there are likely to be bugs, not that the intention isn't (level 4/5) "full self-driving".




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