Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push.

After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.

>Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push.

And it wouldn't have pads, dedicated dials, MIDI, inputs and outputs, MPE, and everything else. It would be just a big screen with a iPad-like touch UI. So nothing like this.

I never meant for the iPad to replace the controller. Just the computer part.

Well, but the comparison was for it as a substitute for (or better value than) Push. Well, as we conclude here, Push does something different.

iPad does MIDI. You can do Bluetooth MIDI and if you want cables you can buy a dongle.

If anyone’s interested, the Oxi One is pretty awesome for sequencing bluetooth gear as well as midi and CV devices. I didn’t have super high hopes as it was a Kickstarter device, but they’ve surprised me by continually updating it, and it’s a pretty fantastic machine now.

I believe it. They could also update Live to support the Tesla Model X, since it has an x86 Linux computer inside too.

It's a lot of work though. And the pay sucks, especially on iPad/iOS where Apple refuses to let you make a profit without letting them take a bite. On MacOS it's a sustainable practice, but unless Apple changes something architecturally I wouldn't anticipate Live coming to iOS anytime soon. At least any sooner than Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally.

>Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally.

By the grace of the flying spaghetti monster, please let this be true... Ableton is the last program stopping me from leaving Windows behind.

Not right now, but they have an app called Note: https://www.ableton.com/en/note/

As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

>The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.

Those VSTs won’t run on a push 3 either.

Of course ableton comes with a pretty good array of instruments and effects, so maybe this isn’t that big a deal.

Yes, the VST's won't run on a Push either.

But the context in this subthread was addressing the parent's claim that Logic on iPadOS has complete parity with Logic macOS and can replace it in its use - not Push.

Logic definitely has more plugins for way less money though.

FL's default plugins embarrass them both. I haven't used any Image-Line software in a dog's age, but I really miss the Fruity Loops compressor sometimes...

I found FL's plugins (default and extra) to be cheesy and too mainstream-EDM/trap/etc based.

I haven’t used it on iPad yet, I meant in regards to desktop.

Biggest issue on iPad is lack of device drivers. Class Compliant audio only gets you so far.

FabFilter? Eventide? Pianoteq? Sugarbytes? It’s starting to get decent out there.

Does Logic Pro support controller extensions? If they do, they could add "support" with an unofficial plugin like Bitwig or Reaper does. Something tells me the iPad+Push experience wouldn't really be a gamechanger though, at least right now.

Agree, I think it will be limited. However, I could see a niche where it’s a good way to play your tracks live. Maybe you’d have to bounce some tracks in advance if they aren’t iOS compatible for whatever reason.

I want to interpret this charitably, but I've travelled with touring musicians before (even Mac-obsessed ones) and none of their setups are iPad-ible. You might be able to get it to work with a 1i1o DAC for clean audio output, but... genuinely nobody I know would bother with that. The requirements for live performance are brutal, even this standalone Push would be borderline suicide to rely on for a show.