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> Animals do not have intent.

Only if you believe they're automata. Which raises the question, are humans not automata as well? If we are, then we also don't murder as we also don't have intent. But if we have intent, what's the line that separates us (other than the obvious "not the same species") from other animals that renders them mere unintentional automata and us intentional non-automata?

Also, spend a few days with any animal, you'll see they have intentions. They're just harder to discern.

> Animals don't have malice.

Likewise some do have malice. It's just harder to discern as we lack the ability to communicate with them and they lack the ability to articulate to us what their feelings are.




I agree with your analysis, but while I can’t speak for the original commenter, I think their point was probably closer to:

“If we can all have this conversation together, it’s clearly a choice for us.”

I (am not being cute when I say I) truly wish I could talk _with_ my cat. I would ask if she murdered that bug or was operating on instinct. Did she kill for sport, defense, or hunger? Was she just pissed off? I don’t know and she can’t tell me, so I can only assume she’s just doing what cats do.

Among our own species I don’t think that “benefit of the doubt” (?) is defacto transferable.

I hope this makes sense. I am enjoying this conversation in an odd kind of way. I’ve been waiting for news like this for a long time.

Though the article and UKGOV articles are from 2021?

Edit: today my main job was typos




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