And yet no where near as many people are crying and protesting against Turkey. Maybe people are just critical, but they refuse to take the same actions. How many people support BDS against Israel? How many support it against Turkey?

There are US military bases in the Kurdish administered part of Syria. The US has troops stationed here for many reasons, one of the biggest ones being to protect the Kurds in the region(just recently the US military shot down a Turkish drone flying in this airspace)

Turkey already has a lot of human rights violations on its record, but, if it got to the level of Israeli repression in West Bank against Palestinians, there would be a lot more sanctions against Turkey

I'm not talking about the US government doing stuff. I'm talking about ordinary people doing stuff. If people cared about human rights abuses they would protest Turkey and Israel (and plenty of other countries). We should, of course, also get protests against Hamas since they are doing a lot of shitty things as well. Instead we only get protests on one side. It feels so partisan. I think the major problem is people like things to be black and white. Israel is bad so that means Hamas is good. They can't just accept that there are two bad guys. I think people have a hard time separating Hamas and the Palestinian people which makes it harder for them to call out Hamas.

Frankly, I don't think we know the scale of abuses. The idea that Turkey has less than Israel is just an assumption. As far as I can tell there are significantly more eyes on Israel. When Israel does something wrong it is all over the news. When Turkey does something wrong it is often crickets and when it is reported it doesn't make it to the front page of HN like this post. Just upvoting an article doesn't take any real effort but people can't even be bothered to do that about Turkey or any other atrocity but when it comes to Israel they can.

I understand the concern but I also understand the general public reaction to Israel's actions. The occupation is one thing, but the genocidal rhetoric by Israeli officials and the desecration of muslim holy sites and harassment of Armenian Christians in Jerusalem is another. Israel needs to do more to change its behavior and protect its image if it doesn't want people to be repulsed by its actions

Turkey isn't innocent but Turkey is calculated and careful. They know Kurdish people represent a significant part of their population (20 million) and they can't carelessly stomp around like Israel is used to doing

>I understand the concern but I also understand the general public reaction to Israel's actions. The occupation is one thing, but the genocidal rhetoric by Israeli officials and the desecration of muslim holy sites and harassment of Armenian Christians in Jerusalem is another.

I'm not sure if you do understand my concerns. The problem is the genocidal talk is going both ways.

I've seen some estimates that 25% of Tel Aviv is LGBT. If Palestine controlled the entire region (from the river to the sea) how many of those in Tel Aviv would be killed? Calling for a people to take over land who we know will specifically target a certain demographic to kill is genocidal rhetoric. Yet so many westerners are literally calling for it. It is hard to take people's criticism against genocide seriously when they are calling for an action that will lead to genocide.

Christians are persecuted in Palestine as well. (I've seen some numbers that indicate Christians in Palestine support Palestine more than Israel, but it isn't really clear). When looking at the percentage of Christians over time in Palestine, I'm guessing they aren't treated all that well in Palestine either. I haven't seen any numbers about Jews in Palestine, but if there are any, I doubt they are treated well.

I'm just complaining about the selective outrage. Ignoring well known terrible things in the same conflict you are protesting is so selective it feels deceptive. If you are focused enough on a conflict to know about the bad things on "their" side then call out "your" side as well. If you don't call out your side I will just assume you don't care about abuses. (Sorry, I'm just rambling and know you aren't justifying genocide/abuses)

> Israel needs to do more to change its behavior and protect its image if it doesn't want people to be repulsed by its actions

Sure, but I guess this goes back to my complaint about selectively being outraged. Why are so many people repulsed by Israel not also repulsed by Hamas?

> Turkey isn't innocent but Turkey is calculated and careful. They know Kurdish people represent a significant part of their population (20 million) and they can't carelessly stomp around like Israel is used to doing

You know something like 20% of Israelis are Muslims and a couple more percentage are non ethnic Jews? If Turkey can't oppress the Kurds (in the same way Israel does) because of the percentage of the population then how can Israel do it?

Regardless, I don't trust the Turkey (or Israel) numbers. We don't know what these governments are doing and that is my point. They are all crap. Selectively picking the bad guy and assuming the numbers are accurate and ignoring the other side is dumb.