> Isn't the worry that Ozempic is only "effective and save" as far as all the other weight loss drugs being utter predatory bullshit ?
Yes, but note that there are other more legitimate alternatives like gastric bypass, etc!
> Last time I looked into it the "loss" is only happening while taking the medication and you get back to normal once you stop, regardless of how long you’ve been taking it. So if stabilizing at a thinner state is your goal, the drug would be mostly useless or you should be ready to take the rest of your life.
This is untrue -- most people do not bounce all the way back to their original weight once they stop, and simply having the space from what seems to anecdotally be quite annoying symptoms ("food noise") might be well worth it.
> Going only a tad too far, it feels like recomming meth for its energizing and diet effects, that's not something we want at wide scale.
It's absolutely not this -- there are studies and trials on how GLP1 RAs work, their effects, and at this point they are a go-to effective treatment for type 2 diabetes, and the FDA has just approved them for heart disease.
The way they work is not completely known (for example the mental effects seem to be underweighted), but the mechanism of action is completely different a drug like meth.
> This is untrue -- most people do not bounce all the way back to their original weight once they stop, and simply having the space from what seems to anecdotally be quite annoying symptoms ("food noise") might be well worth it.
5% weight loss at the end of the day, and no cardio metabolic improvement [0]. So basically the net change was super small and cosmetic. I understand this could still be useful for very specific cases, but it's more of a niche that we're willing to admit.
> the mechanism of action is completely different
I hear you, I and I think we'll see more and more diverse drugs with different mechanisms. I'm just not sure we should be saying "this time it's different" every single time when we could take more measured approach before pushing it to the masses. Right now we're already in the YOLO phase waiting to see how it will pan out now that everyone and their dog want the miracle weight loss drug.
> 5% weight loss at the end of the day, and no cardio metabolic improvement [0]. So basically the net change was super small and cosmetic. I understand this could still be useful for very specific cases, but it's more of a niche that we're willing to admit.
Hey 5% weight loss is pretty good! And remember, there maybe a period of time where the process repeats after getting off (no research to support this yet).
Also, I think you're under-estimating the psychological benefits. The lessened/blunted impulses to eat/do other addictive things might prove to be way more valuable in the time frame than simply the weight loss.
Also, note that the 5% is basically the worst case -- it's possible for more motivated people to keep more than that off, especially if they change their lifestyles appropriately, and importantly the drugs help people get in a headspace to do that.
> I hear you, I and I think we'll see more and more diverse drugs with different mechanisms. I'm just not sure we should be saying "this time it's different" every single time when we could take more measured approach before pushing it to the masses. Right now we're already in the YOLO phase waiting to see how it will pan out now that everyone and their dog want the miracle weight loss drug.
Yeah but I'd say this time it is different -- we've literally never had any weight loss drug that was this effective with so few side effects, and is well studied and essentially has an arms race between the largest pharma companies in the world to produce.
I agree with you though -- it's not a miracle drug, but it's the closest we've seen so far, so that's worth celebrating.
Personally I don't think anyone has to push this drug -- the masses are demanding it -- it's just that only rich people/lucky people with good health plans can afford it so far.
Yes, but note that there are other more legitimate alternatives like gastric bypass, etc!
> Last time I looked into it the "loss" is only happening while taking the medication and you get back to normal once you stop, regardless of how long you’ve been taking it. So if stabilizing at a thinner state is your goal, the drug would be mostly useless or you should be ready to take the rest of your life.
This is untrue -- most people do not bounce all the way back to their original weight once they stop, and simply having the space from what seems to anecdotally be quite annoying symptoms ("food noise") might be well worth it.
https://glp1.guide/content/do-people-regain-all-the-weight-l...
> Going only a tad too far, it feels like recomming meth for its energizing and diet effects, that's not something we want at wide scale.
It's absolutely not this -- there are studies and trials on how GLP1 RAs work, their effects, and at this point they are a go-to effective treatment for type 2 diabetes, and the FDA has just approved them for heart disease.
The way they work is not completely known (for example the mental effects seem to be underweighted), but the mechanism of action is completely different a drug like meth.