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Why was the 1959 album "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis such a big deal? (reddit.com)
53 points by nabla9 10 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 12 comments



Here’s a better answer, in my opinion: https://www.ethanhein.com/wp/2020/so-what/

> If you have never listened to jazz before, Miles Davis’ Kind Of Blue is a great place to start. The heart of the album is its first track, “So What.”

> “So What” is famous for being one of the first modal jazz tunes. This just means that it doesn’t have a lot of chord changes compared to the fast harmonic rhythms of bebop. The A sections use the D Dorian mode. This scale is especially easy to play on the piano; just play the white keys. The B section is up a half step, on E-flat Dorian. If you play the black keys on the piano, you get five of the seven notes in this scale. I had a complete beginner pianist improvise a solo over “So What” in class. I called out when she needed to switch between the white and black keys. It worked!

> “So What” occupies a similar place in jazz pedagogy to the blues: it’s simple enough for beginners to play, but you can devote a lifetime to practicing and never get to the bottom of it. If you want to learn how to improvise jazz, you should definitely learn Miles’ solo.

> Black American music uses lots of call and response as a structuring element. “So What” has many call-and-response pairs at different scales. Here are all the layers I can detect, ranging from micro to macro … (7)

> I would bet that this fractal-like self-similarity across different levels is a major reason for the tune’s appeal. Any tune this immediately catchy yet also structurally deep is going to attract a lot of imitation.

> Anybody who’s been to music school can write complex and abstruse jazz tunes, and blow complicated solos over them. Not many musicians can write memorable hooks. And only the most profound artists can write a hook that conceals as much depth and possibility as “So What.” I wonder if that level of creativity is teachable, or learnable?


Related big thread a couple of months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39597525


It is very ironic to have a lot of text discussing this subject without hearing the music.

"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing_about_music_is_like_da...


I really enjoy this record. What others would one recommend that are similar?


A few that might be up your alley:

Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWC5x9G45yo

Bill Evans - Waltz for Debbie https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUA0n-uVUEwLu2aEtHit-...

Possibly some Chet Baker (though he does a lot of vocal work too; I'm more partial to instrumentals): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PKzz81m5c

Horace Silver - Songs for my Father https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeXOm49kE0


Kind of Bloop, an 8-bit tribute and track-by-track remake :)

https://kindofbloop.com/


John Coltrane is on Kind of Blue and his 1960 album Giant Steps explores similar stuff.


These are two of my favorite albums but I can imagine those new to jazz thinking Giant Steps is too intense. Although not as intense as Coltrane's Interstellar Space...


Giant Steps is a great suggestion, I second this.


Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady is really good, personally love the Track C

A more recent one is Yussef Kamal - Black Focus


Chet Baker - Let’s get lost Gerry Mulligan - Night Lights

Also check out Bossa Nova by João Gilberto for a similar vibe but a different style.


Miles Davis "Jazz at the Plaza" is pretty much the band from Kind of Blue, live. It's a good record.

There's another Miles record that is very meditative, "In a Silent Way" but it's quite different. Electric pianos and organ and John McLaughlin on guitar.

Kind of Blue is sort of an its own level, though.




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