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Let's see: Microsoft Windows: wasn't close to the first OS

Microsoft Office: wasn't close to the first office editing suite

Google: Wasn't close to the first search engine

Facebook: Wasn't close to the first social media website

Apple: ~~First "smart phone"~~ but not the first personal computer. Comments reminded me that it wasn't the first smartphone

Netflix: Wasn't close to the first video rental service.

Amazon: Wasn't close to the first web store

None of the big five were first in their dominate categories. They were first to offer some gimmick (i.e., google was fast, netflix was by mail, no late fees), but not first categorically.

Though they certainly did benefit from learnings of those that came before them.




> Apple: First "smart phone" but not the first personal computer

Was it the first smartphone? I would call phones like the Palm Treo and later BlackBerries smartphones. There were even apps, but everything was lot more locked down and a lot more expensive.


> I would call phones like the Palm Treo and later BlackBerries smartphones.

It's not just you; at the time these products were available, _everyone_ called them smartphones. Emphatically, Apple did not bring the first smartphone to market, not even close. They were, however, the first to popularize it beyond the field of nerds into the general public.


I had an Nokia N95 which was basically a smartphone and came out a year before the iPhone. And Wikipedia says

>it became a huge sales success for Nokia ... It managed to outsell rivals such as LG Viewty and iPhone.

However the iPhone got better.


First modern smartphone (capacitive touch screen/multi-touch/form factor), but not first smartphone.


> There were even apps, but everything was lot more locked down and a lot more expensive.

And just plain... bad. The entire experience didn't have that "feel" that Apple turned into reality. It's comparable to today's AI landscape—the technology is pretty neat, but using it is a complete slog.


I actually have pretty fond memories of PalmOS PDAs. The hardware was very nice, but they were held back by the resistive touchscreen and dependence on a stylus for input. I never used a Treo but it felt like this was Palm trying to copy BlackBerry by adding a physical keyboard.

Edit: There were also the limitations of that era that held devices back in general. WAP internet[1] was awful, but most mobile services were too slow for much else.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Application_Protocol


Nokias were very open. You had a terminal with apt-get.

The entire device was a regular Linux machine.


In general, they were not. You're probably thinking of the very niche and unsuccessful Maemo/MeeGo project - eg Nokia N900 - that were indeed Linux-based. But everything else smartphone-ish from Nokia before Lumia (Windows Phone) were Symbian, which predates Linux and has nothing to do with it.


I am of course referring to Maemo, as per my previous post.


There were Nokias running Maemo ahead of the iPhone. Note these were not Symbian.

The 770 was released in Q4 '05.

They definitely fell within the smartphone category, but oddly the first few iterations lacked GSM radio.


I would classify them as tablets. At least what I thought my N810 as.


I'm a complete idiot. I almost bought an HTC fuse too


> i.e., google was fast,

Just to quibble with this - that was not even close to the reason Google got popular. It was because Google was much, much better at finding what you actually wanted. It was just a far better product.

You can debate why this is exactly, Joel Spolsky pointed out many years ago that it was because Google got that what matters to users most isn't "finding all pages related to X" but rather "ranking" those pages, a take I agree with.


I have a pet peeve with this common piece of wisdom. You can always find a "predecessor" for about anything. The corollary being that there is never a "first". And therefore, stating that "none of the big companies were the first in their categories" is just stating a tautology.


> some gimmick

"key differentiator" and not necessarily easy to pull off or pay for




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