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That's not support. That's <qualifier> support. If that counts, then X11 having legacy support counts as well.



I don't agree, because experimental support means it's being worked on. Legacy support means the opposite - it's not being worked on and never will be worked on.

So for now it happens to work. But none of those DEs are contributing to the X.org implementation of X11, right? So it will slowly break down over time. That's the current status of X11, it's on hospice.


The current status of X11 is that it works.

The current status of Wayland is that it doesn't.

It's really that simple. I think this exchange can help you understand my position better: https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL/pull/9345#issuecomment-201...

>Wayland has a myriad of unresolved problems regarding surface suspension blocking presentation and the FIFO (vsync) implementation being fundamentally broken leading to reduced GPU-bound performance.

To which someone replies:

>If we do this, we are basically accepting these issues are unfixable for the next ten years (SDL4). Having this as the default in SDL3 (which isn't being used yet!) is important for signaling to other stakeholders that we actually do need to get solutions in place for detected issues.

To which the committer says:

>SDL is not your tool for "signaling to stakeholders" about what is important. It's an actual library used by real developers and users!

Likewise. My PC is not a tool for signaling library/DE developers that there are more and more people using Wayland now and that they can finally stop maintaining X11 legacy code. I use my PC for real things. I couldn't care less if things are running on X11 or Wayland so long as they work.

If Wayland isn't working with my use case, I just won't use it. I won't switch to Wayland juts to beta test it, and then spend years begging people who know how to hack Linux to implement the features I need that I had on X11.

If Linux drops X11, and Wayland still doesn't work. I won't use Wayland. I'll use Windows.


> they can finally stop maintaining X11 legacy code

They already have, this is what I'm trying to tell you. All the X.org maintainers are on Wayland, and none of the DEs are contributed to X.org. It's on hospice. It happens to work just because, but that won't be the case forever.

It's fine if you currently like X and use X. I myself use X on Debian Stable.

But the reality is that it's dead technology, and eventually it won't work right.

Wayland is constantly being improved by many, many different parties. Valve, KDE, Gnome, freedesktop, Redhat... they're all constantly making new protocols and implementing them to solve problems.


They haven't stopped maintaining it because the programs still run on X11.

GIMP supports PNG. That doesn't mean GIMP contributes code to libpng, or libpng needs updates. It just needs to have code to make it work with PNG.

X11 will stop being supported when the developers literally remove the code to make their programs run on X11 from their projects. Until then, it's still supported.

Why would I need updates when things already work in the current version?


All X11 programs already run under Wayland. There will always be applications that are X11-only and they will always work. This is a fake problem, IMO.

> Why would I need updates when things already work in the current version?

I guess you don't, but then again, I don't see you running Windows 95. I think this is maybe something you like to believe, but in practice people do want new things and new software.


The only reason I don`t use Windows 7 is because Chrome, VS Code, Steam, and other electron apps stopped working on Windows 7. :-)




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