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For the record -- the law for TikTok divestment was not passed on its own, but was instead included in the foreign aid (including Ukraine) package https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/23/tech/congress-tiktok-ban-...

It is not clear if it would have passed if not that procedural trick... So one has to take this into account when considering 'bipartisan support' of the thing.




This is a misleading view of history. It is true that it was included in the foreign aid package, but the TikTok ban was also passed in an isolated bill in an overwhelming bipartisan manner beforehand.

90% of Republicans in the House voted for the TikTok ban alone. 73% of Democrats.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486

It is very clear that it would have passed without that procedural trick, because it already did.


Correct. I advocated for both these bills. The TikTok ban carried Ukraine.


Now post the lobbying money received by lawmakers, as well as their history of trades of Meta stock.



And? The history of media companies operating in the US to have US citizens owners is likely much longer than you've been alive, just ask Murdoch about is US citizenship.

You're highlighting a completely different problem that's longstanding and happening regardless if we're talking about enemy states. Be nice if we could solve the Musk/Zuck issues, but I don't suspect we will as we worship the altar of money.


> media companies operating in the US to have US citizens owners is likely much longer than you've been alive

You do realise that, should US allies apply this principle themselves, US companies will suffer? Most UK media is foreign owned at this point. As is our water supply, transport and energy

And Elon’s rampant disrespect and general behaviour are inviting that day.


The difference is China is an adversary, not an ally like the UK,and China already bans our social media there.


They don’t actually, the only British ‘social network’ is OnlyFans and it’s allowed in China.

As for the rest, what is the relevance?

US money influences our politics through shadowy think tanks and pushes it to the right. US-owned water utilities take on loans, use them to pay dividends and drive themselves into bankruptcy.

Being a US ally doesn’t buy us better treatment from US billionaires, they are still predatory vultures.


> not an ally like the UK

Let's see how long that lasts.


>so one has to take this into account when considering ‘bipartisan support’ of the thing.

I do not. I can hold a person accountable to their vote on this legislation. Their vote on this legislation caused the Supreme Court to release an opinion that affects every citizens 1st amendment rights. Now if they released a statement at the time condemning this while also talking about the importance of the aid they might have some leeway.


How does the ruling affect the 1st amendment rights of US citizens? It entirely affects foreign business owners.


Accountable for sure, but it's less clear who was in favour and who was against the bill compared to if it wasn't bundled together.


Standalone vote in the house was pretty supportive and bipartisan too https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486.


Congress has a limited amount of time and attention unfortunately, so omnibus bills are very common. That doesn’t invalidate the contained legislature.

I don’t agree with the widespread usage of such “tricks”, but I do understand the harsh reality and limitations of representative democracy.


Thanks for this. It’s the first I’ve heard of it.


The standalone vote for it was overwhelmingly in favor of a ban. See other comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42762082


Yes it was included in a foreign aid package to make it more palatable to Congress. Advocates of the bill on this site are not bringing that up because they support the bill.


> but was instead included in the foreign aid (including Ukraine) package

I don't know why these kinds of shenanigans are still possible. It makes a complete joke of politics and legislation (and by extension: law).

I know I'm shouting at clouds here, and I know the reason is: the sheeple don't care enough to change this thing for the better. But I still feel the need to point it out.


I don't think the sheeple can, sadly. Govt has been so thoroughly captured by corporate interests that I think the fall of America will happen before the govt starts governing for the people




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