> and if that then causes you to ragequit, because you can't actually deal with the heat you've been dishing out coming back around the corner: fuck off
Yeah this isn't about "being civil" or "friendly" and even less about "don't call out". This is about calling out in an ineffective and imprecise way, so that the people actually trying to change things are busy patching up your collateral damage instead of implementing real changes, while all you've achieved is airing your frustration for internet drama points.
When you're that harmful with your calling out, eventually I'm going to be fed up, and you get a live round shot across your bow.
And if that then causes you to ragequit, because you can't actually deal with the heat you've been dishing out coming back around the corner: fuck off.
Or as Dave Airlie put it upthread in this conversation: "Being toxic on the right side of an argument is still toxic, [...]"
So please do call out broken things, do change things, I've been doing it for well over a decade in the linux kernel. But do it in a way that you're not just becoming part of the problem and making it bigger.
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And this is not the first time something like this has happened with Marcan. He may be tired of the Linux devs, but many of them are also tired with him (including some of the people working on Rust, it seems).
And this is part of a conversation on what went wrong here, not an attempt to rally the troops. You really can't compare it to Marcan's stuff. This kind of (selective) demand for absolute perfection is really not great.
Certainly in context, this seems fairly reasonable: https://chaos.social/@sima/113961283260455876
Yeah this isn't about "being civil" or "friendly" and even less about "don't call out". This is about calling out in an ineffective and imprecise way, so that the people actually trying to change things are busy patching up your collateral damage instead of implementing real changes, while all you've achieved is airing your frustration for internet drama points.
When you're that harmful with your calling out, eventually I'm going to be fed up, and you get a live round shot across your bow.
And if that then causes you to ragequit, because you can't actually deal with the heat you've been dishing out coming back around the corner: fuck off.
Or as Dave Airlie put it upthread in this conversation: "Being toxic on the right side of an argument is still toxic, [...]"
So please do call out broken things, do change things, I've been doing it for well over a decade in the linux kernel. But do it in a way that you're not just becoming part of the problem and making it bigger.
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And this is not the first time something like this has happened with Marcan. He may be tired of the Linux devs, but many of them are also tired with him (including some of the people working on Rust, it seems).
And this is part of a conversation on what went wrong here, not an attempt to rally the troops. You really can't compare it to Marcan's stuff. This kind of (selective) demand for absolute perfection is really not great.