>Thinking of literally starting a Linux maintainer hall of shame. Not for public consumption, but to help new kernel contributors know what to expect.
>Every experienced kernel submitter has this in their head, maybe it should be finally written down.
>If shaming on social media does not work, then tell me what does, because I'm out of ideas.
Hector Martin went way beyond being a "prick". And Linus Torvalds told him to stop it.
Have you considered that the problem may be the people that are making "hall of shame" lists of people and doing social media brigading?
Worsening matters, Steve Klabnik (major Rust community figure, has run @rustlang, primary author of the Rust Programming Language Book, former Rust Core member, and moderator of r/rust), have been busy here and on reddit making excuses for Hector Martin. What kind of community is the Rust community?
I haven’t been involved with the Rust Project for years, I speak only for myself.
I said that I feel for Hector, he’s clearly hurting, and that I hope he feels better. I’ve said I don’t want to pass judgement on if what he did is right or wrong, because I’m trying to stick to facts here. I’ve said that I don’t think what he did was particularly effective.
That’s not making excuses. Hector’s actions aren’t the main point of this story. It’s not even his patch!
I'm not gonna end up replying to this thread again, because it's a waste of my time. But I will elaborate on some things.
> You have clearly made excuses for Hector.
This is how posts like this use semantic drift and context collapse. Take this for example:
> Against the decision that the project made, that is very straightforwardly sabotage.
I can believe that the definition of the word "sabotage" applies in this situation without supporting every last thing about Hector and his actions. But because Hector is originally the one who said this, you turn my specific statement into some sort of generic "making excuses."
Also, the first and third comments have nothing to do with Hector. The fourth one is just stating some facts?
> And how can you not deem it wrong of him to begin social media brigading?
Because this is also making a mountain out of a molehill. Hector complained on Mastodon about something that was happening. He was very clearly burned out and upset.
Do I think it's good? No. Do I think it worked? No. But I'm not particularly interested in trying to pass some sort of judgement about if Hector is Good or Bad simply because he said a bunch of things when he was at his whit's end. If I did, I would be quite the hypocrite.
Notably, I also am not interested in passing judgement on weather Christoph Hellwig is a Good or Bad person.
None of this is about that. I don't know either of these people. They could be having a bad day. Or maybe one or both of them are evil. I don't know and I don't really care.
> How can you not deem it wrong of him to begin making a "hall of shame" list?
I don't use mastodon, and so I didn't really see this follow-up. I'm aware it exists, but not of what's in it or what it's about. Maybe it sucks. No clue.
> If it is true that you, Steve Klabnik, were "Community Team Leader for the Rust team at Mozilla, in charge of official Rust community documentation as well as the key Rust community advocate.", can you confirm that you were in the past paid to be an advocate for Rust? And if yes, are you still paid to be an advocate for Rust?
Listen man, if you want to play Joseph McCarthy, be my guest, but I'm not going to engage. It doesn't really matter what I say.
>Thinking of literally starting a Linux maintainer hall of shame. Not for public consumption, but to help new kernel contributors know what to expect. >Every experienced kernel submitter has this in their head, maybe it should be finally written down.
https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/CAHk-=wi=ZmP2=TmHsFSU...
>If shaming on social media does not work, then tell me what does, because I'm out of ideas.
Hector Martin went way beyond being a "prick". And Linus Torvalds told him to stop it.
Have you considered that the problem may be the people that are making "hall of shame" lists of people and doing social media brigading?
Worsening matters, Steve Klabnik (major Rust community figure, has run @rustlang, primary author of the Rust Programming Language Book, former Rust Core member, and moderator of r/rust), have been busy here and on reddit making excuses for Hector Martin. What kind of community is the Rust community?