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> But so much of these DOGE criticisms are simply reflexive "Musk bad."

I mean, these are your own words:

> DOGE can be a misguided operation run by a grifter that misreports findings

And that's the main issue and criticism, not that everyone believes that the government is perfect




But people aren’t saying that. Instead, they’re just inventing reasons why Musk is wrong, with no evidence or invented evidence, like the subject of this article.


Because Musk has already given ample evidence of how wrong he is on multiple accounts.

It's on Musk to provide evidence for his extraordinary claims. So far that evidence has been in very short supply.


Yes, but people are just making stuff up about why he’s wrong. That is literally no better.

You may as well just suspend judgement about these claims. No amount of evidence is going to convince most people here: we saw that with the Hunter laptop, where the goalposts moved with each additional proof the smallest amount possible.



This is not a good article. The Reuters and Politico examples, for instance, are particularly tendentious. Overpaying for subscriptions, or buying unnecessary subscriptions is exactly how such payments would operate.


"No amount of evidence" does not equal "no evidence".

In case of Hunter laptop there was a grand jury, an FBI investigation, a criminal case, a joint investigation by two Republican committees against Joe Biden etc. etc.

What evidence has Musk provided?


Tons of evidence released already, even if you've only been casually following DOGE. And for some, no amount of evidence will ever be enough. Why is it so hard to believe an agency as big and inefficient as the US Govt. would have plenty of waste?


Nope, there's no evidence. There's an endless list of something cut, with no evidence that it was wasteful, fraud, or not within the remit of the agencies in question.

Like this one: https://x.com/DOGE/status/1890593889314038216

Or claims with literally no evidence other than the tweets like this: https://x.com/DOGE/status/1890849405932077378


I've been waiting for that evidence. All I see is a message stating "Receipts coming over the weekend!"

https://doge.gov/savings


I love comments about there being "tons" of evidence without pointing to a single piece of it. Few things make me chuckle as hard as this.




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