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If the pen collected ___location information continuously and sent it to a insecure cloud endpoint, and sent me spammy notifications every day, then probably I would.



If the pen was somehow of financial benefit to the bank, and I didn't benefit, and they won't let me use a different pen, I'd still resent it. No, I don't want to jump through a hoop to make your business some extra money.


If it does you aren't forced to use it. You can ignore the service or use a different service. That's the point.

Apps give discounts and there is a tradeoff. We can't demand similar benefits without paying the same price.


Do apps give discounts, or are prices raised while refuseniks are punished? It's all relative.


Sure, but that's a different debate. You can see why it would be in the interest of the business for you to install that app and why it would be worth enough for a discount.

We're giving them something that provides value and saves on costs.


It's not always your choice. In my country, you're basically cut off from banking services if you don't own a smartphone. I lived without one for years and had to give in a couple of years ago (second hand but perfectly usable — thanks to LineageOS).

The pain was self-inflicted in my case, but some people simply don't have money for one (as there are lots of people living on 200-250 USD per month or even less — they have nothing left at the end of the month).


Any banking or a specific bank?

If any banking whatsoever then sure, this is a problem like cashless society. But if it's from a set of specific banks that makes sense. I use a smartphone only bank and pay lower costs as a result. That makes sense.


I guess you're right ultimately, if there's choice. But the alternatives get more expensive. Basically all kinds of businesses have figured out they can get us to sell our privacy in return for a relatively cheaper product - and as this becomes the norm, it no longer even seems to be cheaper, it's just that resisting selling your privacy gets more expensive.




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