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No, I'm not. I'm interpreting it precisely as written using the rules of the English language. Lawyers get paid good money to word them very precisely.



I appreciate your candor and good-faith, benefit-of-the-doubt reading of this clause.

However,

> Lawyers get paid good money to word them very precisely.

This is true, but not in the way you are presenting. The precision is often to provide unilateral freedom under the guise of protection. They will "lawyer" you. "As indicated by you" is a grossly broad phrase. An indication is not an express, enthusiastic consent. (FWIW browsers have a lot of lessons to learn from sexual misconduct training, but I digress).

Importantly, you are making an implicit assumption that actually is not protected by the statement. And that is when the intention was shared. If you accept the terms of a Mozilla service elsewhere that indicate you are amenable to, for instance, being served ads in exchange for using the browser a certain way --it can now be argued that the data can be exfiltrated.

So, there are two points of failure with your assessment.

1. "Indicated by you" is subjective and Mozilla can solidly argue implicit consent or action 2. The indication need not be contained to the same operation which which the information in question is being sent.


> This is true, but not in the way you are presenting. The precision is often to provide unilateral freedom under the guise of protection. They will "lawyer" you. "As indicated by you" is a grossly broad phrase. An indication is not an express, enthusiastic consent. (FWIW browsers have a lot of lessons to learn from sexual misconduct training, but I digress).

I'd like to second this. I've attempted to have lawyers write contracts that adequately protect and limit both sides of an agreement. First drafts always look to completely balance the scales in favor of the person paying them.

Writing a well-balanced contract requires a lot of work that Mozilla should be doing, but charitably doesn't know they need to do or pessimistically is intentionally not doing. It's hard to read this situation as not either incompetence or a change in Mozilla's priorities.


I had to vouch for your comment, which given that yours is the first and only comment responding with something substantive in this entire comment tree is rather... interesting. Thank you for actually engaging in the discussion about the matter at hand using well laid out arguments.

> "As indicated by you" is a grossly broad phrase. An indication is not an express, enthusiastic consent.

I agree that by itself "indicate" could be interpreted very broadly, however in context it is decidedly less so: "to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox". So in order to be licensed use, it has to serve to help the user "navigate, experience, and interact" in the way the user indicated.

Also see the steering wheel example here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200940

> If you accept the terms of a Mozilla service elsewhere that indicate you are amenable to, for instance, being served ads in exchange for using the browser a certain way --it can now be argued that the data can be exfiltrated.

You're right. It absolutely could be argued. As long as they obtain consent/a communication of intent somewhere - for instance by you leaving a "yes, serve me ads" checkbox ticked somewhere - they arguably could now have license to use your data for that.

However the point is that something on top of your agreement to the TOS is necessary to make that happen. Just agreeing to the TOS and browsing the web normally doesn't give Mozilla license to do much at all.

If I could make a change to the sentence, I would modify it to include "license [..] to the extent necessary to [..]":

> When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to the extent necessary to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

I don't think that change is strictly... necessary, but it makes it very clear that Mozilla doesn't have license to do all sorts of other unrelated things with your data beyond what is absolutely necessary to realize the user's intent.




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