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What's more embarrasing is that the only time article 5 was activated was for US when they got attacked on 9/11



Yeah, we should ask USA to pay for the help we offered them and for our soldiers that died in those conflicts sinee the USaians really are into "deals" and paying for help.


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You entered ww1 in 1917, almost at the end of the war after German submarines attacked American ships, if I remember correctly. So the US tried to stay out for quite some time.


You mean when Japan attacked USA and you were forced to enter the war? I do not remember USA attacking nazis because of morality, in you were forced by getting attacked. I remember USA doing business with nazis so the "help" was mustual you were fighting same enemy and my country Romania was in fact on the other side , we were sold to USSR in the end so you got your payment when you split the world with USSR


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You implied the US entered WW2 to help out the European allies and thus they still owe you. But as the person you're responding to pointed out, you entered it of your own accord, pursuing your own interests.

So, no, we're not going to, in your own words, "compare them to WW1 and WW2 and see if we owe you any money".

Moreover, the US were paid back for any weapons or resources you supplied.

Now, about that article 5. You were saying?


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Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. If you get to "you are gaslighting", it's time to step away.

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No, you're the one gaslighting. It was not a few NATO nations throwing some resources, although, obviously, you deliberately chose this language to gaslight...

In reality, it was NATO nations responding to the US invoking Article 5, the only time it's been invoked in NATO's history. And in contrast to righteously throwing around empty words about Americans hypothetically coming to die for someone, these nations actually sent their troops, and some of them literally died for you.

> I said bring receipts and we can compare

Again, what are you going to compare against? WW2? The US did not enter WW2 as a favour to the other allies, you entered the war in response to Pearl Harbor. Meanwhile Hitler was dreaming of New York in flames. So your troops went to Europe to protect your own country. Sure you were fighting alongside the UK's forces but they were helping you to protect the US as much as you were helping them defeat Nazi Germany.

> Europe has not been meeting is spending targets as specified by the treaty.

Yeah, because recognizing USD as the world's reserve currency is suddenly not enough.

> I say article 5 is a complete non starter and should be utterly disregarded

Don't remember a lot of US people saying this when it was being invoked in 2001. Maybe you were saying it back then?

That said, it's not surprising at all. What do you call taking advantage of a friend and abandoning them afterwards? Another Friday?


Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. If you get to "you're the one gaslighting", it's time to step away.

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