When the President of the most powerful nation on Earth, repeatedly says:
* Canada should be annexed
* I'll use my powers to crush Canada's economy so they are forced to join the US
* I'll use my powers to disrupt trade, and influence others to not trade with Canada
* I want to conquer and take over other "things" as well (Panama Canal, Greenland)
And:
* Makes up stories about there being issues with immigrants and fentanyl from Canada, to put aside trade agreements using powers assigned for emergency use, by Congress, in 1977
* Executes orders about tariffs, inline with the above threats
* Makes up wild, unfounded numbers about trade deficits
* Other members of the the US government says "He's going to make you the 51st state" and "he's entirely serious"
* General discussion among many members of his party saying "We should annex Canada"
And when:
* That same president spreads false information, at one point claiming the Ukraine "started the war"
* Decides to give up the Ukraine to a country run by a dictator
* Tries to undermine other countries from helping the Ukraine
* Thinks Russia is an ally, and everything will be just fine via appeasement
Then I don't care what other Americans think, or say. I care that someone with immense power, and the capability to do these things, says he will. I care what the ruling party has said the goal is.
You speak of "serious people". Only a very unserious person would ignore all of the above. With respect, when you threaten a people with loss of their entire country, telling them they shouldn't take it serious is absolutely absurd.
Nothing else but what has been said is important. No excuses for "he won't do it". No "don't worry about it" is reasonable.
In the last couple of months, the US has entirely destroyed its relationship with Canada. It will literally take half a century to recover it, if ever.
You don't play with another nations security and autonomy. You don't joke about taking someone's country over.
And like it or not?
Your president is your face to the world, and he's doing these things, and there are sadly repercussions of all of us.
Yes, Trump is a gift to any cynical person trying to "both sides" Russia's war against Ukraine or China's extensive plans to invade Taiwan by saying "look, the U.S. threatens their neighbors too!"
The fact is, none of this talk has resulted in real steps towards action. And if you take seriously everything Trump says, you can draw any number of conclusions that aren't based in reality.
You're ignoring what I said, it's not just Trump talking.
And I reiterate, when it comes to the loss of nationhood, the requirement to go to war if that happens, Canadians cannot simply ignore direct threats.
Frankly, your words seem quite offensive to me. You're simply telling all 40 million of us to just ignore a threat to our very existence, because, oh well, who cares, it's obviously just noise.
Meanwhile as I said, it's not just Trump, but his party, cabinet, and others saying the goal is real.
How can I take you seriously, when you ignore that it's not just Trump?
That it's at least millions of Americans repeating and agreeing with these things?
You don't underestimate words with such dire consequences. Ever.
Yes it is. Where is the U.S. military mobilization to the northern border? Or against Panama or Greenland for that matter. You can't just invade a country, you need years of expensive logistical operations to move your troops and supply lines into place (the way Russia did before Ukraine and increasingly what China is doing against Taiwan).
So if we are to take Trump seriously, where is any evidence he is doing anything besides issuing wild threats for leverage in later trade talks?
> You don't underestimate words with such dire consequences.
Trump is dismantling the post world war 2 American led global order. I am taking this very seriously, I just don't tolerate people using Trump's statements as confirmation bias of their "The U.S. is just as bad" both side-isms. Or just downright celebrating the fall of the U.S. because they think a world where China and Russia do whatever they want is somehow better.
Global conflicts and wars of conquest by authoritarian states used to be normal, if we are returning to that era, we are all worse off.
Is this just a game of copycat? You are asserting the US is actually planning a war against Canada, now is the time to cite your sources and proof of that claim.
The two of you both broke the site guidelines super badly in this thread. Not cool.
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN, and please avoid tit-for-tat spats in the future. I know how hard it is to extricate oneself, but the only worthwhile thing to do is just stop.
The two of you both broke the site guidelines super badly in this thread. Not cool.
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN, and please avoid tit-for-tat spats in the future. I know how hard it is to extricate oneself, but the only worthwhile thing to do is just stop.
