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Yes I hope this wakes people up and inspires the country to elect sober thoughtful people again. I'm pretty cynical though so I've learned not to expect much from modern politics.



One thing that gives me hope is that politics has always been a mess (there are some times of stability but they never last forever). Though I think a big thing we need to do is strengthen democracy in the US, get rid of first past the post elections, gerrymandering, the necessity of large donors required for campaigns, unequal representation in Congress, etc. I think if we break the two-party system politics in the US would look better.


I will add, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta... was created to "convert" the Electoral College into a popular vote.

The only way that can happen is if several red state legislatures agree to the Compact. This Compact is useless to replacing the Electoral College if only blue states sign up; these states would have voted blue in an election, anyway. It tips over to 270 if several red states sign up and allocate their electoral votes against the wishes of their own red state constituencies. Would that be democratic? It is obvious why the growth of the compact has stalled at 209 votes; it is irrational for a red state to join it. It is also true in the mirror image if it were a "red state 270 vote compact," no blue state would join it.


Restructuring the elections, congressional seat allocation, etc. would require Constitutional amendments. Unlikely to happen. It is baked in the cake that individual votes are weighed unequally between the 50 states of the Republic. The only other way to do it would be an organic mass migration of voters that equalizes the population in all 50 states. The Census would eventually reflect this and the seats and electoral votes would be equal in all states, as I understand it.

We already have a "third party" now in the sense the GOP is unrecognizable from 20 years ago; the old GOP died out, like the Whig Party.


> Restructuring the elections, congressional seat allocation, etc. would require Constitutional amendments. Unlikely to happen.

As a Brazilian, I think it's unfortunately more likely than you think. Here in Brazil, we got a completely rewritten constitution (the 1988 constitution) after our USA-backed military dictatorship ended. So if the current USA government becomes a dictatorship (which unfortunately does not seem unlikely enough right now), there's a good chance the USA will also get a brand new constitution after all that mess ends, hopefully one with better electoral mechanics.


> Restructuring the elections, congressional seat allocation, etc. would require Constitutional amendments.

That's not always true. Proportional representation in the House would help a lot, and that could be done by passing a regular law. (The current "one member per district" law is only from 1967: [0])

[0]: https://act.represent.us/sign/proportional-representation/


I agree, but we're essentially asking for a unicorn for each of those favors. Just getting one of those done with the current societal setup could easily be a decade+ of very heavy campaigning. I'm not convinced I'll see all 5 in my lifetime, and I'm not super old as is.

It is more possible now than ever though with unprecedented communication. But to paraphrase Warren Buffet a bit: "We (the rich) are a lot better at this and we're kicking your ass right now". Imagine if we could have even a fraction of the youth anger from Tiktok aimed at such issues above.


You underestimate how important it is for people who perceive themselves as alpha males not to admit they were wrong about someone for eight years. Ain’t going to happen, they are already falling in line.


I have seen some people start to realize that Trump isn't this infallible hero over this, so it is working. But Some fans will diehard, very very hard over trump. Just gotta keep chinking at the armor, almost everyone will have a breaking point.


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You must recognize some irony in how disproportionately democratic party supporters are being punished by the current republican government, whereas before, the chance of you losing your job for supporting Trump was nearly zero (as it should be). Yet here is your government, explicitly seeking to weed out politically non-compliant people for 'efficiency'. Public service is supposed to be apolitical; this witch hunt is patently unconstitutional.

I don't understand how you can write that comment in good faith. It is demonstrably illogical.

The only Trump supporters I know of who lost their jobs due to politically motivated incidences were January sixers, to which... I'd say it's unsurprising to see people let go from their jobs for breaking into the capitol building.

Your talk about power structures is also ironic. Power structures are being built right now. Some are torn down, but don't be fooled; something is taking its place. You may not notice because you think it serves you, but consider for a moment at least that this could be exactly what the structure builders want.


It is not by chance that people getting money from the state are more left leaning


Why aren't the US Red States left leaning then, as the greatest benefactors of Federal support?


By definition red states are republican leaning. Easy question


The hard part explaining the contradiction with your earlier assertion that "people getting money from the state are more left leaning."


I was discussing my parent's comment which stated "your government, explicitly seeking to weed out politically non-compliant people"


Red States would starve to death without being fed by Blue States. They’d move to Blue States and be homeless and beg for scraps :)


Red states are the welfare queens of the US.


Red states and billionaires. It’s not surprising that they’re politically aligned, and the government is run by billionaires.


Can you clarify this assertion? If a lot of public servants are left leaning, make no mistake about them: they’re working for their incomes, regardless of political affiliation.

As other commenters have pointed out, a staggering amount of federal funds are paid to red states who are not working for these payments.

If this doesn’t debunk what you’re saying, then what exactly are you saying?


Elon Musk certainly gets an overwhelming enormous amount of money from the state, and he is certainly not left leaning.


I'd honestly love to know what from this particular interaction (Z & JD) makes him more appealing?

Ignoring any other reason or policy how did this interaction impact your thought process?


History shows that those who support monsters are indeed remembered and judged accordingly. The world will change in a few years.


> The worst that’ll happen is some downvotes

They're going to Liz Truss the budget. Economic chaos will be bad for everyone with a 401k. Probably that's the route to getting rid of them, just as people used the price of eggs against Biden.


Another fascist takes his mask off


I'm definitely glad that Trumpism has brought the dark underbelly of America so out in the open. At least I'll be able to avoid horrible people like you IRL.


Believe me, everyone around you knew your views already.




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