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It is not a new idea, but France would love to have others pay for their nuclear weapons, without giving up control. So yes, it will be a while to sort this out, but the box is open now. It is clear that own nukes are the only thing, the big powers respect. So many countries will pursue them now.

And building a simple nuke is not that complicated - when you have the nuclear material. Europe does.




Would Sweden want to pay for France’s nukes when the next president of France is very likely far right?


It's far from "very likely", it's split in three groups of equal size and more people will lean left than far right, especially now


It's not all "very likely" the next president of France would be far right.

The 2024 French legislative (not Presidential) snap election was Macron calling the electorate's bluff that even though they disliked low growth, carbon taxes, inflation, unemployment, immigration, they still wouldn't vote for a FN govt (in the second round; view the first round as a protest vote where some voters for FN are tactically expressing discontent with the govt).

The 2027 French presidential election is a long way away yet and Polymarket doesn't even have a prediction market open for it yet, but Oddschecker puts Le Pen as frontrunner but not "very likely"; and that's before Bayrou emerges as Macron's successor [0]. Macron stands to gain a lot of influence in Europe if he can forge a good relationship with Germany's Merz.

Anyway, obviously a European nuclear deterrent would have to firewall against any of the large member-states or their leaders going rogue. Rutte and NATO haven't commented publicly yet on Trump's recent stance. See what happens at the next G7 summit in Canada, 6/2025. And of course the Ukraine settlement and who provides security guarantees for it.

[0]: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/frenc...


Since sweden (and germany) might become a far right government in some years as well, I would say, this is a seperate, but related issue.

The last we want, are Nazis with nukes on top of it all.


The Nazis are in US now....


I'd argue that the Nazi with nukes may soon be the US.


Facists, not nazis.

If they don't hate Jews it isn't nazism, just ordinary facism.

Also russia already beat the us to becoming nuclear armed facists.


Evangelical American Zionism hates Jewish people with a thin facade of support. A disturbingly large amount of Americans believe that it's prophecy and God's will that the Middle East be "cleansed in fire" and that Israel's role as the Jewish state is an essential part of the plan. It is the same support a farmer offers to pigs when they fill their trough with slop. They want Israel so they can see its destruction through nuclear war.

It is a disgusting viewpoint and essential to understanding American Zionist support of Israel. My (lifelong far-right conservative jack-Mormon) father shared this with me 25 years ago.


Who invaded Ukraine to denazify it and it’s Jewish president


russian facists.




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