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I don’t need to ask grok.

Here are high-ball numbers for going off the grid; 2000 sf house in California:

- 30 panels ~ 10kw: $20K

- batteries ~ 10kwh: $8K.

- permits + labor: $20K (California...)

- 100+kwh EV with v2h bidirectional charging: $50K

- comparable ICE car (offset): -$40K

- heat pump water heater $1.5K

- heat pump furnace: $15K

- induction range: $2K

That adds to: $76.5K. Typical PG&E bills are $500-1000 per month. Budget $200 / month for gas. (Again, California prices.). That’s 63-110 months till break even, which is less than the expected lifetime of the panels + battery.

For another $10-20K, you can add propane backup, but I assume extended storms are rare enough to just charge the car and drive the electrons home a few times a year. A fireplace is about $5k installed.

Not going full off-grid is cheaper. So is scaling up to beyond one house.




> That’s 63-110 months till break even, which is less than the expected lifetime of the panels + battery.

You might want to check these, they are way off. You’ll get double these times at least. Not sure why you need the EV plus separate batteries too?


Grid scale power is being discussed here, not your house project (which is totally great)




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