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But like if you say you refuse to believe the owner of the company and everyone who works there aren’t you ignoring basically all primary sources?

That seems like a pretty closed minded and bigoted way of thinking.




When an entity has a long history of making shit up, it's entirely reasonable to assume that any future claims are equally made up.


> That seems like a pretty closed minded and bigoted way of thinking.

You're ignoring a copious amount of evidence, publicly available, with regards to his character and honesty. That's a choice.

https://elonmusk.today/

https://www.google.com/search?q=elon+musk+lies+misinformatio...


I don’t know, none of this looks like evidence to me, just a series of things he’s said that didn’t come true. I would interpret a lot of these as optimistic predictions that didn’t come true, not outright lies.

A lie is something you say that you know is false. You can predict you’ll be able to do something, try and fail, and I would consider it a lie.

You could also build a website listing tons of things he predicted that did actually come true.

But honestly man whatever. I am trying to discuss in good faith and all that happens is downvotes into oblivion. I am trying to provide substantive answers and discussion in good faith. This site obviously does not allow for unpopular opinions.

I just hope you know that you are not the good guys, you are not on the right side of history, and you are every bit as bigoted as the people you think you’re fighting against.


He said that it is true that the recent California wildfires were part of the "globalist plot to wage economic warfare and deindustrialize the United States". That demonstrates that he has become uncoupled from reality.


It is very hard to believe you are acting in good faith when you are repeatedly calling people bigoted.


He threw two, not zero, Nazi salutes. You calling _me_ a bigot for refusing to believe anyone associated with that place? Okay, if you must. I can live with that.


Well, there was a time I believed Musk, I won't make that mistake again.




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