See the leaderboard tab here: https://lmarena.ai. Or just try it. It's excellent. Usage is free of charge so far. Subjectively, on my prompts, it seems substantially stronger than GPT 4o and 4.5. I also like its more "informal" tone, and its willingness to discuss the more controversial topics.
Ask any mainstream U.S. model anything remotely sexual and they all abort. Musk et al. claim they want free speech and no censorship, yet the U.S. evangelicals have their teeth so deep into the tech, that they block it or debank anyone who even remotely suggests women should have a pleasurable sexual experience.
I think it’s important to not support products by people who want to destroy democracy and who openly sieg heiling or claiming Hitler wasn’t responsible for the Holocaust.
But we are at a point in history where everyone who believes in upholding democratic values needs to call out those in power who are actively trying to destroy it.
Vote with your wallet.
And it’s risky to build your product on top of Grok’s platform, because its owner is totally unstable and you don’t want to be exposed to ketamine fuelled decision making that could negatively impact your business.
On the bright side, Google's new Gemini-2.5-pro comes with no Holocaust-denying issues, and is definitely a lot better than Grok, and is also free and fast.
(I've been using it the past 2 days and am pretty impressed - the first high-end Google model I'd willingly use instead of GPT-4.5 or Claude-3.7.)
The Gemini models have become notorious for being rather uncensored and unrestricted, with an oddly base-model-like feel, since at least last November.
Elon is part of the government who are committed to carry out the project 2025 agenda which was devised by the heritage foundation. Their aim is to destroy democratic institutions.
They are now trying to find how to let Trump have a third term.
Look up what Elon is doing in Wisconsin, bribing voters to get a judge replaced.
If you can’t see the damage currently being done by the Trump admin, then please do your research.
To be an informed citizen requires more than writing ‘citation needed’.
> “Stalin, Mao, and Hitler didn’t murder millions of people. Their public sector employees did.”
Clearly disingenuous reporting. He's saying they didn't kill them directly (true), not that they are not responsible. Another way to read it, is that the people who carried out the killings are also to be blamed, not just the guy who gave the order.
Also, why, out of that quote, did you only single out the holocaust? Stalin and Mao both have killed considerably more than the holocaust, so why did you only focus on "claiming Hitler wasn’t responsible for the Holocaust"?
> They are now trying to find how to let Trump have a third term.
Bullshit and you know it. There's nothing to support this.
> Look up what Elon is doing in Wisconsin, bribing voters to get a judge replaced.
Is it that much different than what all the lobbying groups do? AIPAC or George Soros? Sure they may not bribe voters directly, but they spend billions on lobbying for their side, to a high degree of success.
> If you can’t see the damage currently being done by the Trump admin, then please do your research.
Only damage I see is the one to my stocks and crypto.
> To be an informed citizen requires more than writing ‘citation needed’.
If you are going to make a wild claim, it's on you to provide evidence.
> Clearly disingenuous reporting. He's saying they didn't kill them directly (true), not that they are not responsible.
Why is he comparing Fed workers to Hitler's minions in the first place? Is he trying to say Fed workers are complicit in a major crime committed against humanity.
> Bullshit and you know it. There's nothing to support this.
So Steve Bannon is lying?
> Only damage I see is the one to my stocks and crypto
What about cuts to the VA, impacting thousands of veterans?
And don't you think ignoring the rule of law harms our democracy?
Don't you think alienating our allies harms us.
Don't you think cutting USAID funding and losing our soft power will
Don't you think spreading lies after lies to divide the nation will harm democracy?
Anyway, since you seem to be OK with how things are going, what would you say to folks who are worried about America's future - to calm them down?
How will the life of Americans improve under Trump v2.0?
> Why is he comparing Fed workers to Hitler's minions in the first place? Is he trying to say Fed workers are complicit in a major crime committed against humanity.
My interpretation of the tweet is that the workers are responsible for what they do and following orders is not a valid excuse. I have no idea why he would bring that up with in regards to fed workers. You have to really reach to think he meant Hitler wasn't responsible for the holocaust (again, why did you only bring up the holocaust out of the three names?).
Not to mention that Elon is a puppet of the Jews. Ben Shapiro literally led him like a dog through auschwitz. Trump, the one he helped get elected, extremely pro Israel and is surrounded by pro-Israel/Jewish members.
> So Steve Bannon is lying?
Maybe? I don't care for what he says. His word is as valuable as dirt to me.
> What about cuts to the VA, impacting thousands of veterans?
Don't they only want to cut employees? And VA has 482k employees, unbelievable number.
> And don't you think ignoring the rule of law harms our democracy?
I think blocking the democratically elected president from enacting the things he run on, harms your democracy.
> Don't you think alienating our allies harms us.
Short term hurt, long term benefit to all. As an EU citizen, I will be glad to get rid of US influence here, as it's nothing but DEI, wokism and pro-Israel agenda.
> Don't you think spreading lies after lies to divide the nation will harm democracy?
Like the 51 officials that signed the biden laptop thing? Both sides lie through their teeth consistently.
> Anyway, since you seem to be OK with how things are going, what would you say to folks who are worried about America's future - to calm them down?
Touch grass.
> How will the life of Americans improve under Trump v2.0?
Realistically, it won't change for shit. Just like it barely did under Trump v1.0, or Biden, or Obama.
If you are an Israeli though, your life might improve.
He's literally the only politician in my lifetime who does exactly what he said he was going to do. Except for the obvious troll comments like the "third term".
It was a simple question: do you trust a pathological liar, i.e. Trump over any of the other folks I mentioned, who don't have a history of pathological lying.
And what I mentioned are documented facts, not assumptions.
Argument: Under his leadership federal institutions are dismantled, harming Americans and the democratic future of America. The blueprint is clearly laid in the project 2025 plan.
I can't reply directly anymore to your comment, since your comments have been flagged or something.
Anyway, thanks for at least agreeing to some of my points and facts. Can't have a meaningful discussion if everyone has their own facts.
To your other points:
> he explicitly has said he is not going to implement, such as abortion measures.
He is the reason why Roe v Wade was killed. He might not further introduce abortion measure this year, but he might do before 2028, so you can't take his word for it.
> Can you present anything to back the claim that “Trump is a catastrophe for America”, or that American have been harmed in any way, much less the “democratic future” of the country?
Some things so far:
- Cutting medical science funding means harms to patients, e.g. those in the middle of medical trials.
- Cutting VA funding directly harms veterans.
- Letting a bunch of teenagers working for Doge get access to your private information, increases your risk of identity theft and worse. One of the guys working for Musk had a history of providing tech support to a cybercrime ring.
- Ignoring judges' orders and not following due process and the rule of law undermines democracy.
- Pardoning J6ers sends a clear message that political violence is OK - which harms America's democracy.
The bottom line is why wait till 2028 to decide whether his actions harmed America, when the trends are clearly visible now that his actions will be catastrophic if they are not reigned in now. And he has a track record from his first term. That should also count for something. Would you rehire someone who was terrible the first time around?
Another way to think about this: You sit in your room and you notice a small fire near your curtains. Would you want to wait to see what happens or would you not try to put it out as quickly as possible?
Anyway, removing Roe V Wade harmed women more than if it would have been kept in place. Ginsburg is also partly to blame for this, since she should have retired earlier, so the balance in SCOTUS would have been maintained. Women in Texas have died because of this.
> Judges generally are the antithesis of democracy.
Of course it's not a perfect system and there are corrupt judges. But what's an alternative to maintain the rule of law?
> Pardons
Biden pardoned his son because he knew otherwise he'd be a target. This move was understandable, but he shouldn't have done it.
Remember Trump said he will take revenge on those that did him wrong.
But it's not comparable to pardoning criminals. How are J6ers political prisoners? Why pardon people who attacked and injured police men protecting the capitol?
Anyway, I think we arrived at a point where we can only agree to disagree.
I think life will become worse if Trump is not reigned in and you seem to think it will be better than how it was under Biden.
A point of clarification: Biden pardoned his son because he was a three time convicted felon. Certainly not because of fears of Trump: he was convicted of these federal felonies while Biden was in office. He additionally pardoned the entire rest of his family (siblings and their spouses) too, from “anything and everything”, for reasons only he knows.
And unjust judges must be taken down by the people en masse. It is indeed our civic responsibility. But this particular case isn’t requiring anything extreme: the people are simply being encouraged to vote. This is actually among the most democratic of any judicial nomination process. Now, I’m guessing there’s some Iranian “Supreme Leader”-style vetting of the candidates; the ruling elite almost never give the people any actual power, but still. Upper echelons of democracy no doubt, hardly damaging democracy in any way.
Roe v Wade was — along with all the other things he has had a hand in removing — not a good thing. But don’t take my word for it, look to what actual (female) supreme court justices have said about it: It was over-broad and questionably defensible. It was not a good ruling, and it’s nice to have that space opened up for something better to come along.
Medical trials should be financed by the corporations standing to profit from them. Tax payers should not be on the hook to check their work.
Veteran healthcare is severely overfunded. Ask any veteran who will be honest with you and they’ll say the same (Most of my coworkers are veterans, the stories are wild). You have a tiny slice of people who actually need help, and a massive cohort of folks gaming the system to be declared as “disabled” as possible, despite often having next to no actual disability. Or — people intentionally harming themselves to get more disability. Again, ask a veteran.
Can’t say I’m a huge fan of Doge, but I don’t see their efforts putting me any more at risk than Experian, EquiFax, TransUnion et. all who have already leaked all my info to anyone who might care. Oftentimes getting paid to do it!
Judges generally are the antithesis of democracy. They sit above the law and make decisions about what is legal without being subject to any popular support or potential consequences. They are by and large the least democratic aspect of our system. Marbury v Madison is the biggest of all fingers in the face of democracy. To say that an instance of the people rising up to get rid of the unelected arbiter of the law is somehow damaging “democracy” is frankly ridiculous. People en masse working together to decide how they will be governed is democracy.
The presidential pardon is at the core of our constitution and is a vital part of ensuring political prisoners can be freed. This is a case of that, and I generally support it — even in egregious cases like Biden’s entire family being pardoned of “everything everywhere all at one”, or whatever it was.
I think his track record first term was pretty decent. No wars. It was the next guy that got us in two, killing literal millions. And the other option was promising us “more of the same”. No thank you.
> It was a simple question: do you trust a pathological liar, i.e. Trump over any of the other folks I mentioned, who don't have a history of pathological lying.
Are those the same officials that signed the Biden laptop letter?
