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> what people do with their personal lives

This isn't the issue. What people choose to do in their personal lives should be accepted or at least tolerated, as long as it's not harming anyone.

> what bathroom they use

This is the problematic part. A male using the women's bathroom is committing a violation against women.

> etc.

This includes males in women's prisons, males in women's changing/locker rooms, males in women's sports. All of which are violations against women.

It isn't about "hating LGBT people" as you suggest, but about compelling males to respect women's and girls' boundaries.

For far too long, a subset of males have been getting away with not doing so, just because these males express a desire to be female. It's quite absurd that it's taken Trump of all people to attempt to rectify this. The political left should have reeled in their activists, who were promoting all this, a long time ago.




> This is the problematic part. A male using the women's bathroom is committing a violation against women

It's mostly men saying this [1]. (Specifically, uneducated men over the age of 50. Especially if they're conservative, Republican or attend weekly religious service.)

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/645704/slim-majority-adults-say...


The survey you linked did not ask that question.


Look at that, our luxury beliefs collide!

Mine, lax and libertarian, perhaps too unconcerned with traditional gender roles and stereotypes.

Yours, worried and authoritarian, focused on an imaginary moral panic propagated by reactionary Internet forums.

So, which luxury belief costs more? Mine might require a transition to single user bathrooms, yours depriving a gender minority of liberty…


Traditional gender roles and stereotypes are part of the reason why some males end up desiring to be women, because they've confused female with feminine. There's nothing wrong with men wearing dresses or indeed any feminine clothing. But thinking this somehow transitions them into being women is ludicrous and sexist.

Ideally we'd be rid of these stereotypes. They're part of the problem.

> Yours, worried and authoritarian, focused on an imaginary moral panic propagated by reactionary Internet forums.

The authoritarian side is the one insisting that males who call themselves women actually are women, and punishing those who disagree. In some states it is actually illegal to have a female-only space. It has to be female plus any male who says he's a woman.

That's not liberty is it, certainly not for women who want or need spaces without any males present.

There are so many cases where this type of policy has demonstrably harmed women. At the most extreme end is males being incarcerated in women's prisons on this basis, who have then raped, sexually assaulted and even impregnated the women locked up with them.

This is the consequence of these "luxury beliefs" capturing institutions of the state.




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