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Possibly because lawsuits challenging the power of the President to impose tariffs under the Emergency Economic Powers Act are underway.[1] GOP support for Congress taking back control of tariffs is building.[2] At some point, Congress or the courts will take his toys away.

[1] https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tariffs-hit-lawsuit-group-his...

[2] https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5236142-congress-tariff-...




I've seen relatively little discussion about these lawsuits, but I do think there is a pretty good chance that SCOTUS will rule these tariffs unconstitutional. (It's certainly more likely than Congress rescinding the powers they've ceded to the presidency.)

Constitutionally, the power to set tariffs resides with the Legislative branch, not the Executive branch. Congress has delegated some authority to set tariffs under certain conditions (namely, emergencies and matters related to national security). But the Court is clear that one branch cannot delegate all of its powers to another. The Court is pretty deferential to the Executive branch, especially in matters of national security. But no matter how much you squint, it's hard to see how setting broad based tariffs on all goods from every foreign countries qualifies under the Emergency Economic Powers Act.


It is a sound analysis but I think there are other non-legal factors at play.

If the president tries to do X, then the lawyers block X, then in political game theory the president "wins" in the eyes of the electorate because the president can argue "my plan was perfect, the execution failed due to the opposition, so I am not accountable to what has now happened".

The left might want to see a disaster play out to capitalize in the mid-term elections, laying the accountability directly on the president. The right might not have freedom of action because they fear a well-funded challenger for their seat.

In am interested in other people's opinions and ideas in this area. I agree it is too little discussed and analyzed. Please share your insights!


It can be more sinister.

If judiciary blocks X, then trump will say "these are the real bad guys, they are as worse as the dems, lets remove them". And BAM ! You have a dictator.

The sad part is that one of the most powerful nation in the world is filled with idiots who will lap up the above argument.

I would say that all this current situation is because of corporate greed, leading to a skewed distribution of wealth, leading to the evolution of a class of voters who are desperate, gullible and mis-informed.


> lets remove them

How?


The people on the left who want to see a disaster play out are mostly accelerationists. I think most on the left would worry more about the harm that economic disaster would be inflicted on people.

And more pragmatically, I think that Trump is so committed to causing disasters that he's likely to succeed at enough of his attempts that there should be pushback to as much of it as possible.


People on the RIGHT want to see this. The younger cohort of republican voters were HAPPY to see the stock portfolios and retirement savings burn up in a puff of smoke, because at least now older cohorts knew their pain.


> I do think there is a pretty good chance that SCOTUS will rule these tariffs unconstitutional.

Unlikely. SCOTUS is cowed, as shown by the latest batch of rulings (https://www.npr.org/2025/04/08/nx-s1-5351799/scotus-probatio...). They want to avoid his ire, and interference.

Possibly, they are saving dry powder for a bigger fight.


They have each independently, on different cases, voted against the administration. Except one I think, but it’s also only been three months. And John Robert’s just rebuked trump. It seems they have enough backbone to not care about his ire, and have their own independent minds. Thankfully more than congress does.


The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 shadow docket decision, just enabled the Trump administration to deport people under the Alien Enemies Act -- a law that requires a declared war or an "invasion or predatory incursion...by a foreign nation or government." So I wouldn't get too excited about the idea that they're going to make a big stand on tariffs.


The Supreme Court, on its shadow docket, did not decide any such thing. It stated very clearly that it was not rendering an opinion on that subject. What it did decide was that due process applies, even to illegal aliens, even under the Alien Enemies Act.


Granting the Trump administration “extraordinary relief” to continue deporting people is absolutely a decision. You can say “we didn’t rule on that issue” a hundred times in a row if it makes you feel better, but if you go out of your way to make sure the government can continue to exercise power under an absurd legal justification, you’re making a very explicit choice.

It’s this kind of legal storytelling, by which you pretend you didn’t authorize something, while actually taking actions that ensure it’s authorized in practice, that is the worst enemy of the rule of law.


I have this "fear" of being in a situation where a judge has to form judgments about code i wrote, even when relying on an "expert".

For the same reason that i believe a situation like that could play out, i don't think i should judge a judges understanding of, dedication to work through, and knowledge about– the laws.

I actually studied law for a few years. And i am baffled by the confidence of laymen about court rulings. It's almost like a client explaining to me how easy it is to fix this small bug.


It decided that deportations can continue, removing the temporary restraining order. And the administration claims that they are irreversible because those people are no longer in US custody. Such wonderful due process we have...

Then when you look at how SCOTUS justified it, they basically claim that the petition is invalid if it's not filed where the detainees are currently held. So how is it supposed to work if the feds just keep shuttling them around?


I think that is true, strictly speaking.

But how do you justify all of the other trade deals made by other presidents?

Were those also unconstitutional? Or just Trump's because they went up not down.


Were they negotiated by the president, and then ratified by the Senate? Then no problem.

Are there any examples pre-Trump that were not ratified by Congress?


To find another example of that, you’d have to go as far back as…Biden last year with tariffs on China.


The past tariffs (including from Trump's first term) were targeted at specific industries like steel or aluminum so you could make a case that it was necessary for national security. Other trade deals that set a broad set of tariffs (like NAFTA) were ratified by the Senate.


Seems kinda crazy that so much power was ever vested in the president.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48435


How to handle emergency authority in a democracy has been a hard problem back to the Roman Empire. Read up on Roman dictators.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dictator


Roman dictators have always fascinated me. It worked (for a while at least) because both sides agreed it was necessary and temporary. The people who appointed the dictator knew extreme measures were needed to navigate them through some crisis. The dictator knew if they tried to hold on to power longer than was necessary they would simply be removed or killed, their supreme power only extended through the crisis in which they were needed.


I mean, it may not be a completely solved problem, but you don't have to be too clever to think that perhaps rules similar to the War Powers Act ought to also apply to the President's authority to apply tariffs.


Laziness and fear of the closet monster beget tyrants.


The best way to sabotage Trump is doing exactly what he wants (and make sure he takes all the credit).


How would you manage the bit in parenthesis?

It's a foundational part of the sickness in people like Trump that anything bad is by definition somebody else's fault, and clearly his cultists just keep lapping up his lies no matter how insane and transparent.


This. Anything (accidentally) good was totally intended by Trump. Anything bad was because of evil ultra-leftists sabotaging his intended good, and not because Trump made even the tiniest of mistakes.


please keep in mind that everybody is vulnerable to this mindset -- not just conservatives


To an extent, since we’re all human. But conservatives, regardless of nationality, are unified by one characteristic that makes them more susceptible to this kind of propaganda.

Conservatives lack the ability to empathize abstractly. Due to their extreme emphasis on being self-centered, they are deficient in understanding that what happens to another can happen to them.

Once something bad happens to them, they are able to start to see the threads that bind them to others and society. But it’s only once it’s been made personal that there’s a chance of this recognition occurring.

So “us good, them bad” style of mob thinking is more common in conservatives only because they systematically do not ask themselves “are we actually different from them?”


...yeah so this is exactly what I was talking about


Sure if you have no skin in the game, but I however live in the US and also own stock so that's not going to work for me.


It's interesting to see it as an answer to the question, how long does it take to turn a well regulated democracy with a powerless head of state into an autocracy.


We've all been learning just how much of the US system runs on assumption of there being some baseline level of competence and good faith. It hasn't been a pretty lesson.

I'm honestly not sure there is another way since laws can't cover all possible future edge cases with effective enforcement mechanisms. The simpler fix is to not elect blatantly corrupt and incompetent leaders, but voters failed that task and now the country is paying the price.


I'm starting to subscribe to the idea this was blatant market manipulation.

Trump is only out to make money, the guy never had any other thought in life since money gives him status, fame, and power.

It's a grift, as any other of his grifts, but now he can manipulate the whole stock market with his power.

There's nothing else that I can rationally come up with to explain this absurdity.


There's your problem - the word "rationally". NOTHING about MAGA / Trump is rational - it's all based on feelings.


> Trump is only out to make money

Nope. Not even close. He's all about power, and the appearance of strength. It's no coincidence that he looks up to Putin.

Money is almost always a means to an end, and this is no exception.




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