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Wait, why is this presented as a good thing?

Why would I want my phone to auto reboot without my intervention? Never mind that it’ll never make three days on a single charge even if I don’t touch it.




It’s pretty well spelled out in the article…

The BFU state is more secure than AFU.


For when it's sitting in an evidence baggy in the police station connected to a charger waiting for forensics


If that is a good thing what does that imply about my activities (or what an utter failure your justice system is)?


>or what an utter failure your justice system is

Even if you somehow live in a jurisdiction with a perfect justice system, that doesn't mean everyone else is.


No implication, it's a standard feature.

Whos justice system? Lots of countries represented on HN. Many with questionable systems.


I guarantee you that regardless of where you live your justice system is abusing the same access.


The goal of a security system is to keep adversaries out


Just be glad it’s not windows, which does it every 3 hours.


Topical joke 25 years ago


Says someone who has never had to deal with corporate installed malware - ie MDM software.


You're not wrong. Seems hard to blame on MS though.


Maybe? Could Microsoft have a layer of third party customization between user space and kernel where MDM lives without crashing the operating system like CrowdStrike did?


Well, that's a good question, but over my head. I'll settle for kind of blaming them a little bit.


It's very clearly explained in the article.


It is not clear to me at all why the ‘benefits’ presented outweigh the negatives (which is _my_ device doing anything without me instructing it to). Even if you can turn it off, this is apparently enabled by default.

Law enforcement keeping hold of my phone for 3 days is simply not a realistic problem for me. Coming back to an annoyingly locked phone after forgetting it for a weekend very much is. The chances of law enforcement wanting anything with it are low enough that dealing with an extra unlock is more likely to be an impactful issue, even considering the potential impact that law enforcement or others stealing it could have.


> Law enforcement keeping hold of my phone for 3 days is simply not a realistic problem for me.

That's what cops and spooks would like to have you think.


> Law enforcement keeping hold of my phone for 3 days is simply not a realistic problem for me.

It's not a problem, until it suddenly is.


Especially with the glaring example unfolding right in front of our eyes.


This is not not the question you originally asked. Indeed it's a much better question.


> Coming back to an annoyingly locked phone after forgetting it for a weekend very much is.

It is?

I mean, my iPhone asks me for my passcode every 7 days anyways. And that's the only thing that happens on reboot anyways.

Also, you forget your phone for a weekend? How do you do anything during that weekend, like keep in touch with loved ones, get driving directions, pull up a boarding pass, check for delays, look up restaurants?


"How do you do anything during that weekend, …?"

Easy, do what we did before mobile phones—civilization existed for thousands years and worked quite well without them (Rome built an empire sans mobile phones, so did the English). We even ran and coordinated the largest and most organized event in human history—WWII—without them!

Some of us have not yet succumbed to phone addiction (I often go for quite some days without using a phone and still have a normal life).


Hey, if you want to go back to life in Ancient Rome, with the disease and lack of medicine, the slavery, the dictatorship... I'm not going to stop you.

When you say civilization worked quite well for thousands of years, as an argument against mobile phones, I'm not sure you've quite thought your argument through... unless it's always been your dream to be a Russian serf, or an Egyptian slave?


There's no point further arguing about this matter with someone who hasn't lived through both pre and post mobile phone eras.

I'll just add this, I was amongst the first to ever own a cellular mobile phone. I owned several Motorola 'bricks' (DynaTAC) if you're old enough to know what that is, and before that I owned a mobile car phone in pre-cellular times, the nature of that tech was such that very few phone numbers were available—simply it was damed expensive and one had to be very keen to own one.

What I'm taking about is a lot more complex than your understanding (or that which you wish to admit to).


> Also, you forget your phone for a weekend? How do you do anything during that weekend, like keep in touch with loved ones, get driving directions, pull up a boarding pass, check for delays, look up restaurants?

Lmao I regularly go several days without calling family and months between any of those others.




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