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You somehow can't apply logical statements to what we choose to kill and eat. Cultures differ on their opinions here. But at some extreme we should all be vegan.





The logic is simple, we eat what's convenient to produce and we construct our morals around that.

Meat costs a lot to produce. We eat it because it tastes good, not because it's convenient.

No. Dogs also taste good but they are way less convenient to raise per kilogram of meat then cows. That's one of the main reasons we rather eat cows, pigs and poultry than dogs, dolphins, squirrels or guinea pigs.

People do a lot of expensive and wasteful things just because they are convenient in many domains of life.

Meat isn't tasty. If it was you wouldn't always eat it fried almost to a char with salt and spices. Tasty things you can just eat straight up. Meat is easy. It's easier to keep some cows on grassy hill then kill them, than to create and maintain a field there.

Meat is also easy to cook and eat. It digests nicely. It can be used in mono diet with no immediate ill effects. It's a no-brainer food even an idiot can use to sustain themselves. It's hard to poison yourself with it because if it's not fresh it stinks like hell.


> If it was you wouldn't always eat it fried almost to a char with salt and spices.

I agree with the rest of your comment, except this.

You eat your meat "always fried to a char"? What? Also, I barely add some salt to it. Many people add way too much salt though.


By almost char I meant browning.

Salt is cheating. Add salt to any fat and it's immediately tasty.


But fried? I seldom fry my meat.

I also cook vegetables (eat them raw too, of course), so I don't think that's cheating.


Aren't steaks fried?

No. They can be cooked on a grill with no fat and they taste great.

Do they taste great? Or does the fatty salt taste great? Have you ever tried them without salt? Because salt or sugar can make anything fatty taste great.

They taste great without salt or additional fat (other than what's already in the steak). We do not fry them in Argentina.

Yes they taste great even without salt. I’m getting the impression you have never eaten a cow before. Maybe try some time before you say such things. I bet you’ll love it!

I'm eating steaks seared/fried on a pan almost weekly for few years now. I landed on a combination of herbs and spices to make them actually tasty (rosemary, black pepper, sweet paprika and of course plenty of salt). But still they are nowhere near the tastiest of the foods that I've eaten. I eat them because they are easily (and slowly) digestible, and rich in nutrients. I don't really have to think about the rest of my diet and I can eat whatever I have a craving for without risking some serious deficiency as long as I eat occasional steak and keep an eye on my weight.

I've also been to some steakhouses few times and what they serve ranges between terrible and passable.

I guess my tastes aren't typical.


You’re just not correct. It’s alright, happens to the best of us.

No? I've never fried a steak. I grill them.

You never eaten a steak from a pan? Or you just never used any additional fat under the steak, which technically makes it grilling? Sorry, I'm not a native speaker and I thought frying is anything you do on a pan with no cover. I guess there's also searing but I thought it was kind of frying.

I found a recipe for skillet-fried steak: https://www.thepioneerwoman.com/food-cooking/recipes/a9744/p...


Nope. We grill steaks in Argentina. We do not fry them.

I've tried a lot of different fake meats, and real meat tasted better to me. Sure, meat requires special cooking to taste good. That doesn't mean meat as a whole tastes bad. When other things are cooked the same as meat, they don't taste as good to me as meat.

>Dogs also taste good but they are way less convenient to raise per kilogram of meat then cows.

I'm not saying that meat producers don't optimize their production to lower prices. I'm saying that despite their optimizations, vegetarian foods are cheaper to produce than meat.

>It's easier to keep some cows on grassy hill then kill them, than to create and maintain a field there.

Look at the price of beef vs the price of vegetarian foods. Beef costs more. Also look at the carbon footprint of beef vs vegetarian foods. Beef production produces more carbon.

>Meat is also easy to cook and eat. It digests nicely. It can be used in mono diet with no immediate ill effects. It's a no-brainer food even an idiot can use to sustain themselves. It's hard to poison yourself with it because if it's not fresh it stinks like hell.

I don't think any of those are the main reason people eat meat. In a different comment you say rice, potatoes or lentils are easier to cook such they taste good. I don't think meat is easier to cook than other foods.


> Meat isn't tasty. If it was you wouldn't always eat it fried almost to a char with salt and spices.

Allow me to introduce you to the concept of "steak".


Buy your steak, toss in a pot of unsalted water. Cook for a while to make it edible. Eat it when hungry. Tell me again how tasty the meat is.

Do the same with rice, potatoes or lentils and you'll have completely different experience. Pick any fruit. There's even no need to boil. Tasty from the get go.


Are you seriously trying to argue that food doesn’t actually taste good if it has to be cooked first?

Throw steak in a hot pan. It tastes great with no other seasonings. Tasty from the get go. Throw rice in a hot pan. It tastes awful.

Therefore, rice is not tasty.


Have you tried? Eat unsalted steak fried/grilled/seared on the pan? It doesn't taste good.

If steak was tasty you wouldn't need steak sauce /s.

Rare steak is nice.

True. Habits also play an unconscious role and tradition a conscious one. To demonstrate the former: bellow two studies on cats exposed pre, peri and post natal with a specific aroma. From the first abstract:

> We conclude that long-term chemosensory and dietary preferences of cats are influenced by prenatal and early (nursing) postnatal experience, supporting a natural and biologically relevant mechanism for the safe transmission of diet from mother to young.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232700921_Prenatal_...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/40452868_Effects_of...

I'll add that habits and taste can change later in the life voluntary or involuntary: There's plenty of people that "learn" to like something they didn't in their youth for many reason: new cultural environment, health, curiosity...


Why do some religions say don't eat beef or pork? Some religions care about how you kill the animal. How is this convenient?

Religions can be inconvenient. I'd still argue that source of some of their bans was convenience that just got frozen in time and kept alive way after its utility ended.

I think in case of meat bans it was a deeper convenience. Something like that it's not convenient to avoid pork, but it's convenient to not get sick from low quality pork or the process of raising this specific animal. It might have been quite convenient rule of thumb two thousand years ago.




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