Surely there is some kind of due process? You can't just pick up foreign looking types and ship them off in black vans. That would be an illegal way to do that, I believe (I hope). I'm not American so I don't know how it works over there.
If you read the thread you replied to, we were referring specifically to deporting "illegal immigrants", meaning the due process has been already run and determined they are illegal, which is why I asked how do you illegally deport an illegal.
> Illegal immigrant = an immigrant who is here illegally/against the law
I'm confused. This is how most people define the term, and is not what you said before. What you said before is "due process has been already run and determined they are illegal".
There is a vast difference between someone that broke the law and someone that was convicted of breaking the law.
When the average person says "illegal immigrant" they mean someone that broke immigration law. Nothing about whether due process has been applied. So if you start rounding up "illegal immigrants" and deporting them right away, that's a big problem, because not all of them had due process and you'll inevitably grab innocent people.
>When the average person says "illegal immigrant" they mean someone that broke immigration law. [...] So if you start rounding up "illegal immigrants" and deporting them right away, that's a big problem, because not all of them had due process and you'll inevitably grab innocent people.
Aren't you contradicting yourself here? How can you break immigration law but be innocent?
Immigration is pretty binary, you either have valid visa to be here or you don't, so you either broke the law or you didn't. What's there to argue about here? Yeah, we can say immigration laws suck sometimes, but that's an argument for changing the laws, not for removing the enforcement of the law.
> Aren't you contradicting yourself here? How can you break immigration law but be innocent?
If you try to round up everyone that committed a crime, you're going to make mistakes. You'll get people that did not commit that crime. So no, there's no contradiction in that sentence.
> Immigration is pretty binary, you either have valid visa to be here or you don't, so you either broke the law or you didn't. What's there to argue about here?
The way you check, properly, is with due process.
It's pretty easy to do due process on immigration. It can be done efficiently. But you still have to do it.
>If you try to round up everyone that committed a crime, you're going to make mistakes. You'll get people that did not commit that crime. So no, there's no contradiction in that sentence.
Yeah there is contradiction. They either committed the crime or they did not. Which is it? Do they have valid immigration papers or not. That IS the due process. Where do you see the potential mistakes? It's very binary. When you enter the movie theater, you either have a ticket or you don't.
And mistakes happen with all the due process in the world. Jails everywhere have people who are there even if they did not commit the crime simply because the prosecution was stronger than the defense.
Not everyone who’s in the country illegally committed a crime – for example if you overstayed a visa you might be deportable, but you haven’t committed a crime.
Then there is a lot of law around asylum seekers. Some of the people who entered the country illegally still might have rights to stay here.
The current laws aren’t as simple as “if you don’t have a paper we can send you outside tomorrow” right now.
And on top of it ones deportation order might have conditions (I.e don’t deport this guy to El Salvador since it’s unsafe for him there) which also can make deportation of illegal illegal. And this one, as you might know, already happened.
The whole El Salvador thing with first two planes having people without final order of removal is illegal.
That’s to answer how deporting illegals can be illegal.
On top of it what’s called deportation might be not exactly deportation in my opinion – it’s unclear why US can send people to foreign prison for entering country illegally.
