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We're fools if we play into their hands, which is exactly what we do when we give in to the irrational fears they want to create.



Do you honestly believe AQ has been fighting for decades just to get the NSA to take phone records from Verizon? You think Ayman is snickering in a cave somewhere chalking up a tally in the Win column because of that?

They have actual political goals, but they don't necessarily care about what America does internally. Certainly they don't send people to die just to give a farmer in North Carolina "irrational fear". They do it for strategic goals all their own.

In a manner of speaking, a full embrace of all civil liberties plays directly into their hands as it gives them much more freedom of communication and movement while affording the citizens only a very marginal increase in those civil liberties by comparison.

Obviously it doesn't make sense to swing way too far the other way and to restrict our civil liberties so much that they turn into security theatre (like the TSA) without any marginal increase in our ability to deter and defeat terrorism.

But acting like taking any change to deter terrorism "let's the terrorists win" is itself kind of missing the point. That's not even the game they're playing.


>Do you honestly believe AQ has been fighting for decades just to get the NSA to take phone records from Verizon?

As part of a larger strategy, sure. Osama bin Laden stated publicly that his goal was to bankrupt the U.S.[1] The NSA is wasting billions of dollars on this while we run enormous budget deficits.

[1] http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/

>In a manner of speaking, a full embrace of all civil liberties plays directly into their hands as it gives them much more freedom of communication and movement while affording the citizens only a very marginal increase in those civil liberties by comparison.

Only if their end goal is to kill people rather than bring about some specific political result. Presumably the killing is a means rather than the goal, and if the goal is made unachievable through attacks because we resist overreactions to them then there will be no incentive to go on killing people.


Is "bankrupting the U.S." his end game or a part of his strategy? Because as far as end games go, it's a pretty dumb goal.

The war in Iraq (and even the eventual occupation of Afghanistan) are far, far more costly to the American taxpayer than an NSA data center and staff.

But either way, if bankrupting the U.S. is what OBL wanted then his soul should hope that AQ digs deeper: Even WWII couldn't bankrupt America.


Now the question is who creates the irrational fears?




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