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>Personally I'm pro-immigration and anti-H1B

That statement is self contradicting, since H1B is the only way to immigrate to USA.

Edit: Unless you already have family here willing to sponsor your PR.




> >Personally I'm pro-immigration and anti-H1B

> That statement is self contradicting, since H1B is the only way to immigrate to USA.

No, its not self-contradicting. One, because H-1B isn't the only way to immigrate to the USA (there's a whole bunch of immigrant visa categories [0], H-1B is just one visa category, and technically its a non-immigrant category that allows dual intent -- that is, its a non-immigrant visa holders of which are not prohibited from also seeking permanent residency.)

And, two, because one can support immigration but think all the existing mechanisms are undesirable, and be pro-immigrant but oppose all of the status quo immigration mechanisms, preferring new mechanisms. So even if H-1B was the only existing US immigration avenue, the statement wouldn't be self-contradictory.

[0] A partial list -- Family based: IR1, IR2, IR3, IR4, IR5, CR1, CR2, F1, F2, F3, F4, F2A, F2B, IH3, IH4; Employer based: E1, E2, E3, EW3, C5, T5, R5, I5.

EDIT: to respond to edit of parent...

> Edit: Unless you already have family here willing to sponsor your PR.

And this is still wrong, because while family-based immigration is the main route in the US, there are also employer-based immigrant categories, and even additional dual-intent non-immigrant visas (what the H-1B is that allows it to be used for immigration) besides the H-1B.


No, it isn't. To argue such is disingenuous. You can be for the idea of immigration but believe the current H1-B system is a sham setup as an indentured servitude model to a majority of its participants.


It could actually just be a result of confusion or laziness.

(You usage of "disingenuous" is almost as a synonym for "wrong". It doesn't just mean "wrong" or "incorrect", it implies that you believe that the comment is intentionally dishonest. If you aren't absolutely sure someone is trying to mislead others, it's a poor word choice. It gets used on HN a lot, a lot more than it should be.)

edit: I do see from the sibling reply that you were more or less right.


>No, it isn't.

Care to tell me what are the other practical avenues for people to immigrate to US if they are not a noble laureate or an olympic gold medalist ?


About 2/3 of US immigration is nepotism based.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/family-reunification#...


> Care to tell me what are the other practical avenues for people to immigrate to US if they are not a noble laureate or an olympic gold medalist ?

Not be from a country for which the applicable immigrant visa categories are overloaded (IIRC, China, India are the big overloaded categories for employer-based categories; and Mexico, the Phillipines, and India again for family-based categories) and be qualified for either family-based or employer-based immigration.

Or, qualify for a number of the other dual-intent non-immigrant visas besides the H-1B, such as the H-4, or the L, E non-immigrant visas.

The H-1B is just one dual-intent non-immigrant visa category, its not even the main way for people who aren't noble laureate or Olympic gold medalists (or the broader group who qualify under the O and P non-immigrant visa categories that would seem to apply to those two groups) to immigrate.




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