This is every job. The rich paying the poor to do something that will bring them value. Every work visa is slavery by your argument. The reason cleaning as a job icks people out is because they see it as a "lesser" job. I am fine with it as long as the pay is good.
No, you're wrong. Someone with a work visa can leave if they want, they just can't stay if they don't meet certain conditions. However, they can travel to wherever they're authorized to. Difficult as it might be, they can also find another employer to sponsor them. They can also leave to visit home.
Someone who has their passport taken cannot leave. They may be deported, like someone with a lapsed visa, but unlike the aforementioned, they don't have the option to go somewhere other than the destination the deporting country decides is their home. Without documenation, they may be detained for an extended time, and cannot avail themselves of the resources available to people who can prove themselves citizens of another country.
I can leave my job - both permanently and for the evening. I can leave this country and come back (same for many foreign countries). Work life in America sucks, but it's not the same as modern day slavery.
Also, I explained why cleaning (specifically, employing a live-in maids) can be an issue, socially. It's not icky and it's not lesser; however, it can create in the society that encourages it class divisions and abuses, especially since it can only ever become ubiquitous and accessible to anyone but the wealthy if pay is not good. We have concrete examples of this in the regions GP mentions.
1. You do realise that not every house help is on some work visa where the employer takes away their passport right? That's illegal. These things happen a lot in arab countries not just for house helps but engineers too. Wanting to have a house help doesn't mean aspiring for "slavery" or taking away someones passport.
2. Work visa conditions if harsh enough are akin to slavery. You have Indians on H1B visas for over a decade with no chance of getting a green card. They have bought houses and raised families here. And can be kicked out in 3 months if they are out of a job. They are stuck.
> encourages it class divisions and abuses
Do you feel the same about a personal driver? A chef? A live-in nurse? What professions are socially ok in your opinion? If someone can pay good wages for a maid its absolutely ok. In fact its good that money flows into poorer communities. If you want real class equality ensure that every job gets paid similar amounts. A rich engineer not hiring a maid just makes wealth inequality worse. Its far better for the community than stuffing it in some index fund.
> 2. Work visa conditions if harsh enough are akin to slavery. You have Indians on H1B visas for over a decade with no chance of getting a green card. They have bought houses and raised families here. And can be kicked out in 3 months if they are out of a job. They are stuck.
Sounds very stressful. Is there no way for them to replace the H1B visa with something more permanent? Kinda like a middle step to green card?
Is it? China unlike US has a declining population. Also it takes a while to catch up even if you’re growing at 5% and your opponent at 3% when the starting base is much lower.
Of course this might be entirely moot since US is in the process of committing economic suicide for no apparent reason.
I think its going to happen. We keep underestimating China. US manufacturing is in the gutter. And it certainly doesn't help that we keep deporting our best minds back to China. They already have 5x the US population. They have a lot of room to grow still.
The selling point looks to be this: you get all the advantages of server side rendering but with the flexibility of react client side components as well. Being able to just use react components for composability on the server side is pretty nice.
It's like saying income taxes and tariffs do their damage in similar ways. They do. Income taxes are another thing that mostly just hurts the country introducing them.
That is basically what tariffs are, it taxes the wealth gained by offshoring. When you do that offshoring no longer provides you with cheaper goods and you get the current imminent downturn.
Other than that it is very hard to tax profits generated in another country.
Is it? What if you hold shares in US traded equities? Can you still be a major shareholder if you somehow transfer that to an entity in another country?
And maybe a mutual taxation reciprocity agreement with other like minded countries could defeat those games?
America is the richest country in the world. That is the payback. Yet somehow the working class is screwed.
People don't want to admit wealth distribution is the problem because that would make them "communists". It's an emotional response. I'm scared how far they take it.
Whether or not the “right wing working class” are right in their root cause analysis, the domestic situation in the US is catastrophic enough to demand explanation:
“If we are the richest country on earth, why can’t I afford a house and healthcare?”
Answer 1: You are being taken advantage of by wealthy elites within your country!
Answer 2: The whole world has made Americans front the bill for a regime of global peace, security, and a trusted reserve currency, at the cost of you, the American worker!
Depending on which answer you choose, and which camp you ally with, your worldview will differ.
I know. There is no reason to believe in #2. Its an emotional response. And so you cant change it. Just like you cant use logic with a flat earther. And that's scary for the rest of the world. I just hope no wars happen.
Housing and healthcare are the two things that have little to do with trade. Housing affordability is almost entirely policy driven. In a "free" market (quoted because the definition typically doesn't take into account the necessity of a functional society to maintain property rights and values, just ask Detroit), housing affordability is entirely dependent on one's relative income and propensity to spend, i.e. you can have high absolute income (say in NYC) and still find you desired housing unaffordable. I think people intuitively understand this. Healthcare costs are more complicated but is also almost entirely a domestic issue.
"People don't want to admit wealth distribution is the problem because that would make them "communists"."
If you are referring to taking wealth by force from people that earned it and giving to people that didn't earn it, yes it's 'communist'. There's nothing emotional about a methodology that has failed over and over again.
Well, we’ve been going through wealth redistribution towards the “elites”, and no one batted an eye.
China popped the real estate bubble, collapsing entire industry giants and making the “elites” swallow the financial downturn. Literally allowing the “poor” to refinance their homes on the back of the “rich”, because they believe housing isn’t for speculation, but for living in.
Tariffs without windfall profits tax will be further wealth redistribution, from the poor to the wealthy
That is begging the question. The question is not "Why are some people poor" that is the default state of humanity, and has been for the past 100,000 years Homo Sapiens have existed. The question is what are the succesful doing right. It is not because of "hoarding wealth infinitely" that a doctor has more money saved up than someone addicted to drugs and living on the street. It is their decisions that lead to their current circumstances. The doctor spending a decade in medical school and residency has delayed a lot of gratification getting their, while the drug addict likely had some issues with impulse control or delayed gratification.
Politicians should just come out and say this to the people. Oh you can't afford a house? Oh you cant afford healthcare? But we are the richest country in the world. And the system is fair. It means you didn't earn it. Duh.
Communism is control of the economy via government owning the businesses. What you are describing is taxes in a free market system. They are not the same thing, and being convinced they are is the majority of the problem.
> If you are referring to taking wealth by force from people that earned it and giving to people that didn't earn it, yes it's 'communist'.
Like taking money generated by the labourer and giving it to the company owners to share with their idle families? And threatening unemployment and precariousness/homelessness for those who disagree? This seems to have failed again indeed
Indeed. Taxation is as old as civilization. Civilization is built on taxation. The first writing systems, the first numbers, the first money, it was all invented to enable taxation. People should finally quit being so childish about this. Unless you want to go back to the stone age, taxation is unavoidable.
> China systematically undercuts our industries with slave labor
By this argument isn't America undercutting Europe by taxing companies less and being ok with less worker rights?
> China is already at war with us
Who is us here? Because you are threatening a takeover of Greenland and giving up Ukraine to Russia. Not to mention tariffing and threatening your closest allies.
> By this argument isn't America undercutting Europe by taxing companies less and being ok with less worker rights?
We, at least until Trump, got the US military keeping Russia out of Europe and dealing with a whole lot of other bullshit we were too frugal to deal with on our own on the global stage.
> Who is us here? Because you are threatening a takeover of Greenland and giving up Ukraine to Russia. Not to mention tariffing and threatening your closest allies.
Europe, that should be obvious from context.
> Per capita co2 emissions
CO2 is one thing, but the time that the Western world had smog events like China had up until their Olympic Games is decades in the past. Besides, China's per-capita emissions are driven down by the fact that they still have a lot of utterly poor people that barely cause any emissions.
> the time that the Western world had smog events like China had up until their Olympic Games is decades in the past.
China has actually made very significant efforts to reduce smog, and there's been a huge improvement in the last 10 years. There's still way more smog than in the US or Western Europe, but it's gotten dramatically better, and it will probably continue to get better.
> We, at least until Trump, got the US military keeping Russia out of Europe and dealing with a whole lot of other bullshit we were too frugal to deal with on our own on the global stage.
Well we have Trump now.
> Europe, that should be obvious from context.
There is no "we" if you threaten to invade land and treat us like enemies. I thought the sarcasm was obvious.
> CO2 is one thing, but the time that the Western world had smog events like China had up until their Olympic Games is decades in the past.
How many decades of pollution did the USA emit developing through the last century while Asia didn't because they were insanely poor because of war and colonisation?
> Besides, China's per-capita emissions are driven down by the fact that they still have a lot of utterly poor people that barely cause any emissions.
Germany has a per capita co2 emission rate of 8.01 so even lower than China. The USA is at 14.21.
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