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And in which case did the party leader stand up and incite the mob before they went on their war path?

If we’re going to compare January 6 to the George Floyd riots, one was explicitly political, and the other one was fed up populace.

One started with a rally intended to gas the mob up in hopes of securing the capital for their fuhrer. The other was started as the result of the outright murder of an individual by a state actor.

One was essentially organized by the Republican Party leader, and the other was an impromptu display of discontent.


There were quite a few Democrats that encouraged the protests that turned into riots during the George Floyd stuff.

That's literally exactly the same as Trump. He encouraged a protest, but literally told them to peacefully protest, just as many of those Democrats did.


And for how many of them were the protests formed around the Democrat politician?

How many Democrats: got up on stage for a rally for themselves then -> told the attendees to go and “peacefully protest” then -> the protestors went and turned into a riot?

How many of the George Floyd protesters were chanting to hang a public official? With the intent of dismantling democracy?

These are not the same.


This mentality through most of my career has left me trapped as technical support, and it's damn near impossible to climb out of the pit I've dug for myself. What you say about being seen as a car mechanic is true.


This played out at my last place. My boss would assign my co-worker to build the world's crappiest car in the least amount of time and when it broke down I would be the only one that seemed to be able to fix it (while my co-worker was busy building some other crappy car). I would have built a much better car in the first place! However I would have taken more time and the goal was to build and release as fast a possible. My boss was okay with the risk of said crappy car, my co-worker got promoted and I slowly burned out.

It's a tough balancing to make sure you sell yourself correctly and fight to work on things you want to!


We had a guy like this on our team once, it took a year to convince management he was a net drag on the team. Half the team quit, the other half said they would if they had to work with him any longer.

To prove the point we put him on a strategic rewrite and gave him master/trunk while the entire team moved to a feature branch for 6 months. This was complimentary to his ego as he was sick of us bureaucrats in the rest of the team telling him what to do and being such a burden on his genius creativity.

By the end he was unable to build / run his own branch, while the remaining team lost no velocity and was making regular releases to end users. The choice was easy at that point.


I feel this way about documentation. I do it, a lot. I get compliments and positive feedback on it. It helps me remember things I would otherwise forget. I hope that others would be inspired by my example but it hasn't happened. I could be selfish and horde my own documentation and let others sink or swim. But that hurts me too as I'd have to pick up their slack.


I'm reminded of the Gervais Principle. Doing the work is not the way to "win," but not winning might be the better lifestyle. Depends on your motivations, aspirations, and ethics. It's easy to chase the total compensation number, because it's just _there_ and like what are we doing anyway? But then what are you doing, anyway?


That's been my career mindset. I've been in roles where my management has referred to me as a "rockstar" and it was a burden not a compliment. I'd rather be in a supportive team environment where everyone carries their own weight.

Compensation has been decent with this approach over the years. I could have made more staying longer in a darwinian bigco but the work was not fulfilling.


> and it's damn near impossible to climb out of the pit I've dug for myself.

By far the easiest way to do so will be to find another job. If you can't do this, yea, mentality will lock you in to positions you don't want to be in.


The problem is that the new employer looks for CVs of those who achieve flashy things not those who fix things.

Fixing things only gets notices by coworkers and good managers.


Agreed that could be a problem. Seems like a benefit in disguise, though—such an employer is likely not to manage a product well.


Until you start your own company, even if it is just you.


We gave Wiki the info. AI took the info. These things are not the same.


Took the info? So the info is now gone and only the AI has it? Who deleted the original, the AI did that too?


You cannot take information, as it can only be duplicated.


I didn't trust Pirate Bay for mp3s or albums because of the rumors of people getting csam, and even if I trusted it, I was downloading at school so I couldn't get away with installing a torrent software (although it was 2010-2011, and I was using opera 11 with built in torrenting software ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). The school would let us install other browsers and music players since they used an app blacklist not a whitelist. My friends and di would also use the PortableApps toolset to install unapproved apps like Quake 3 and networked chat software to our flashdrives and run them from there.

I used a Zune and synced all my music at school as a guest device, and there was no way for me to rip dicsographies to flac and had no hardware to play them.

The main way I got all my files back then, that you haven't listed here, was by googling the name of the album or song I wanted followed by either .zip or .mp3 and then the words mediafire, megaupload, or beemp3. "[album name].zip mediafire" this was when googles search bar features still worked and exposed most of the raw index (100s of result pages. Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle)

Only if I couldn't find it that way would I then resort to using "N°1 Free online Video Converter" onlinevideoconverter.com to rip a song from YouTube. That was usually reserved for meme songs like covers, the Ultimate showdown, Epic Rap Battles, and stuff like the Bedroom Intruder autotune and other Gregory Brothers viral hits.

My golden child older brother who was a way bigger intellectual (not technological) nerd than me was the one who begged for the credit card to buy songs once napster shut down. He wouldn't always buy from iTunes, sometimes he would "save money" by buying them for pennies on the dollar (like 20 rubles) from a Russian piracy site that purported to pay the artists, as though that gave him the moral high ground over my piracy, when it was obvious there was no way that was happening.


You had it easy. The internet was not able to handle video when we were doing this and audio streaming sites didn’t exist. You had Napster/Limewire, sketchy websites, and power users were still on usenet. The Scene was pretty popular and if you knew where to look you could find whatever.

Ripping from YouTube sounds awesome compared to people sharing their whole hard drive over Napster/Limewire/Kazam. There were military documents for c130, F22, you name it, there where whole businesses around finding military docs on file sharing programs and getting money by reporting them.


Good!!! I just finished porting my number off of T-Mobile since I canceled my service with them mid-Superbowl when I learned they were collaborating with StarLink; I don't want to support a man advocating for my erasure because he's mad at his daughter for disowning him. I made it explicitly clear why I was cancelling, citing Elon and StarLink by name.

Glad to see others participating in the "free" market and "voting with our wallets" before that ends up being the only way we can vote. Even more glad Slim is costing him billions compared to my pennies.


It would be amazing if Elon became recognized as the toxic figure that he is, and that had real economic impact on his companies.


I do wonder though, when I see so many famous people on Joe Rogan, for example, if the world isn't pass that somehow. Remember Neil Young as the absolutely solitary voice trying to pressure Spotify? It doesn't matter if you think Rogan should be boycotted; there are people that clearly should be doing it, to be honest with their own values, but aren't.

Edit: small correction.


Since Trump started his term, Rogan has fallen from the top podcast in the charts to number two with a 32% drop in downloads over the past month. I guess its something?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgd9v3r69qo

> Shares in electric car maker Tesla have slumped more than 9% after EU and UK sales fell by almost half in January.


That _may_ be happening, with fairly dramatic Tesla sales declines in Europe, though that also might just be competition.


Well, there's a lot in the news today about the FAA cancelling a 2.4 billion dollar contract with Verizon and awarding it to Starlink.

So look like Musk may have gotten a good deal with the couple hundred million he spent to help get Trump elected.


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Lots of people wish for the failures of profitable businesses. The sooner the better for us to be off oil the better for the planet. The slave trade employed many people and was extremely profitable. There's no reason to care about Starlink being successful.


Why not? The entire point of market economics is to make that not a problem and leave room for other potentially better companies to take the place of worse ones. He obviously is a negative influence for the business as a whole even if he stayed out of politics, just the fact that he tries to pull so much money/value out of those businesses for personal gain has a negative effect on how efficient and beneficial to consumers those businesses can be.


Yes, I do. More important than tech and jobs is that we keep too much power from accumulating in any one persons hands.


> In 1938, Ford was awarded Nazi Germany's Grand Cross of the German Eagle, a medal given to foreigners sympathetic to Nazism

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#Honors_and_recognit...

By US standards, Musk is pretty good. And I doubt there'll be any economic consequences for him no matter what ideologies he holds. The literal next line on Wikipedia is "The United States Postal Service honored Ford with a Prominent Americans series (1965–1978) 12¢ postage stamp".


I'm not going to research historical Nazi's to try and what, understand???, why current day nazi's aren't so bad. Fuck all Nazi's.


Actually before WW2 many Americans were somewhat sympathetic to the Nazis; Hitler didn't seem so bad until he started invading other countries and stepped up his persecution of the Jews and Roma in 1938. Other recipients of that award were Charles Lindburgh and the chairman of IBM.


Curious about what this is about. I don't pay very close attention to the news cycle.


I assume they are referring to this partnership:

https://www.t-mobile.com/news/network/t-mobile-starlink-beta...

"T-Mobile (NASDAQ: TMUS) introduced the next big thing in wireless — T-Mobile Starlink — to tens of millions of football fans. Now in public beta, this breakthrough service, developed in partnership with Starlink [...]"


I got that part. It was the "wants to eliminate my people" part I'm missing. Is Musk talking genocide?



Ah, yeah, he's making the 'this is mental illness' argument that has been a mainstay in psychology for the last century or so.

Mainstream acceptance was slow up until the last 10 years or so.

I doubt he'll succeed in his efforts. I don't think he cares as much as the people he's targeting care.


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I have yet to meet a person who regrets having successfully weaned themselves off the news-cycle dopamine treadmill. If anything, I find that they tend to be better informed and more thoughtful than they were when they wasted cycles on the carnival.

Might just be me though.


Well that's a bit of conceptual selection bias, isn't it? Good for their mental health, but you cannot regret something if you don't know what you're missing.

There must have been 1930s Europeans who checked out of all those news about Hitler, after all. Must have been much better for their peace of mind, until one day suddenly it wasn't.


The rise of Hitler was noticed and minimized by even the most plugged-in governments and leaders. The UK was led by a chap who thought he could mollify him by just giving him parts of Central Europe. You can call Chamberlain many names but "uninformed" isn't one.

I like the description earlier in the thread of "the carnival". You can leave at any time and your life and dopamine will be the better for it.


The thing is the Nazi's didn't come out of nowhere.

If you check the news once a week or once a minute you'll still notice them.


lol. Because I’m sure all the news was posting anything critical about the nazi party at all. Look at now the vast majority of the mainstream news handled Covid. Absolutely zero intellectual curiosity or actual honest insight and 100% pure grade-a government propaganda. Not even a shred of actual investigation or thought. They were nothing more than a mouthpiece for whatever nonsense the government spewed out.


While I encourage everyone to opt out of the sensationalized news cycle and prioritize their own mental health, people who aren't paying attention aren't better informed, because the news is actively being censored by their billionaire owners, so it takes a lot of effort to be fully informed, and no, remembering a few things they heard off of Joe Rogan doesn't make them well informed.


Ea-nāṣir sold me poor-quality copper. I need high-quality copper. Therefore, I will buy loads of copper from Ea-nāṣir, and sift through it until I find high-quality copper.


The copper market sold me copper, some of which was low quality, some of which was high quality. But instead of continuing to shop at the whole market and developing any sense of what is quality, I've decided to go exclusively to Joe's Best Copper. He tells me his stuff is the best. I don't go to anyone else now so I have no way of comparing it to anything else. Anyway, there's no possible way he could be lying to me, I'm way too smart for than.


Nope. It’s the best decision you’ll ever make. It’s pure propaganda that has absolutely no positive impact at all.


So many here are in agreement that queer erasure is occurring you're saying that being informed about it happening can have no positive impact at all? How should we fight against something if we ignore that it is even happening?


Have you seen this discussed in the news? I haven't.


> a man advocating for my erasure

What do you mean?


Maybe OP is trans


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What are you even talking about? Trying to rule that trans people don't exist and kick them out of every space possible is one of the biggest efforts of Trump's first month.


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Politics, I know, but: I guess he just missed the part where Slim is dismantling his country for profit. Oh yeah and literally a Nazi.


>dismantling his country for profit

Wow, that certainly sounds familiar.


These seem like more reasons to celebrate the end of a partnership between two oligarchs. May it cost them both money in the end.


Profoundly inverted sense of morality. Don’t know what can be done about it.


elon lost a contract. At this point most people consider that a good thing, since he is trying to sow chaos in the US government for little to no benefit to the US or anywhere else except his wallet. And he is enabling the little dictator.

That doesn't mean you support the person who pulled the contract.

You can scream MDS all you want. Most people are done with the meme garbage.


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Top shelf question-begging there, counselor.


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Civil servants don't vote for the party that constantly lies about and shits on them? Astonishing.

Nor was I aware that the ABA was part of the government. It's this sort of high quality analysis that keeps me coming back to HN.


Thinking that everyone in a federal job or benefitting from those big bad grants are all in one party is some massive ignorance that takes a lot of brainwashing on right wing media to accomplish. They won't understand until it affects someone they know. By then musk will have diverted a lot of spending to his own companies with the doge fraud.


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not sure why you read "irrational ragequit" into it. Calmly telling the CSA, who may or may not be in the Philippines, what to note down as cancellation reason: Other - Elon Musk, gets stuffed into a database and then bubbles up in internal reports on a pie chart of reasons so if enough other people also cite that reason, it becomes seen.


This is why, OP said mid-superBowl:

> T-Mobile since I canceled my service with them mid-Superbowl when I learned they were collaborating with StarLink

That implies spur of the moment, emotional response.

You are watching the Super Bowl one minute, you see a commercial for T-Mobile, then immediately call to cancel your service in anger? If it happened at all - you must port before cancelling, or lose the number


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They're gonna come for me anyway. Better than my communications going through his network. Maybe if enough people cite his behavior when cancelling T-Mobile will back off working with him, and he'll lose even more money.


I’ve been in the industry for a decade as a dev that can’t seem to get out of support roles because I wanted to do what you describe at the start of my career and now I’m only seen as support and I’ve NEVER found a support org that, heh, supported my development efforts like that first job did.


If you need to make an account and give this guy personal information (a digital commodity like oil) to see the data it's not free lmao


> If you need to make an account and give this guy personal information

In this case, you don't. That's just to weed out people who can't figure out temporary emails. I just used one to create an account without turning over any PI.


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Is your issue actually with "creating an account," or is it with "giving up your personal information?" Because as the commenter indicated, you can create an account on this site without giving up any personal information.

So while you're "correct" in the sense that you do need an account, it seems that the meat of your point (giving up personal data) has been addressed.


Colored it a corporate beige.

Who the heck is so brain broken as to talk about their grandchild as a startup project and their family as a frigging team.

I have to almost need to see this as AI in order to maintain sanity because there’s no way an actual human being talked about a child—their human grandchild like he was a product.


You’re calling someone “brain broken” for writing a comment in a cute manner to make it sound like product development. It’s time to take a step back and relax.


It's clearly a joke. You've never heard people make corporate inspired comments about normal activities? Never had friends talk about sending them a calendar invite for dinner?


I don't talk about spending time with my children, friends, and family like they're a job, no.

Is it that much work in your mind to be social with the people you care about or are you just unable to drop the corpo think at home?


you're telling on yourself, highlighting that you're so humorless that you couldn't tell it was an intentional parody of corporate double speak, contrasting one of the most human experiences with one of the least human. It's ironic that you tried to call him brain broken lol


You're telling on yourself by admitting to, apparently, not considering that I COULD tell it was intentional parody, found the ironic humor in it, and STILL found it tasteless enough to call them out for talking about a child like they're a product.


Yes you’re the boss and no one can take that away from you. You must have worked very hard to get there if you’re blocking your team from taking initiative and making independent contributions to the organization. Based on this attitude I’d assume you suffer from an extreme inability to delegate and are going to be stuck in whatever direct supervisor position you’re in for the remainder of your career.

If I showed initiative like this and your response was “I’m the boss. Don’t push me around.” I’d quit on the spot and I sincerely hope you only have lackeys too dumb to understand how detrimental this egoist attitude to your own authority is to productivity and creating organizational value.


> If I showed initiative like this

It is not initiative. It is manipulation

That is poison in any organisation


Ohhhh, riiiiight, you're one of those bosses that project their weakness and paranoia onto the people that work for them to tear down subordinates and stay on top.

Thanks for confirming your impotence as a leader and your inability to delegate.


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